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 Shiva.Flionheart
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-11 11:38:41
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Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
refresh will be f***** useless... mp full will be increase.. we need refresh II here...

wat
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-11 11:38:54
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
refresh will be f***** useless... mp full will be increase.. we need refresh II here...
lolwut
I think what he means is we will have alot more mp to fill... not really the best of points. A better one would be we will be spending mp much faster (which SE has admitted) and therefore will need to refill it faster
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-06-11 11:41:31
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
refresh will be f***** useless... mp full will be increase.. we need refresh II here...
lolwut
I think what he means is we will have alot more mp to fill... not really the best of points. A better one would be we will be spending mp much faster (which SE has admitted) and therefore will need to refill it faster
I agree that refresh II would be much better, but that doesn't make refresh completely useless.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-06-11 11:43:05
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
refresh will be f***** useless... mp full will be increase.. we need refresh II here...
lolwut
I think what he means is we will have alot more mp to fill... not really the best of points. A better one would be we will be spending mp much faster (which SE has admitted) and therefore will need to refill it faster
I agree that refresh II would be much better, but that doesn't make refresh completely useless.


^^^^^^

Refresh 1 will still have it's uses, like times when you dont have a RDM with you x)
BLM\RDM can refresh themselves solo etc.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-11 11:43:05
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Cerb is such a cockblocker.

*** solotank Nightmare if you bank on Not getting hit, like NIN or /NIN should. It's not like Charybdis where you know he's just animating his 20 *** attacks and you can still get shadows up, he just is attacking that goddamn fast.

I don't know what I would do without Bard/Black Mage now XD

Orcus too, is a big pile of shut the *** up. Basically hundred Fists attack speed + That gay Gravitic Horn and Strip ***. But he don't hit too hard, Accession and Phalanx is more than enough to mitigate damage to that of about poison II.

And of course, you kill him for the Belt, and the *** ring drops with no belt (The source of my title now) >< RAGE FACE ENGAGED.
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By Fenrir.Soulslasher 2010-06-11 11:43:21
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
refresh will be f***** useless... mp full will be increase.. we need refresh II here...
lolwut
I think what he means is we will have alot more mp to fill... not really the best of points. A better one would be we will be spending mp much faster (which SE has admitted) and therefore will need to refill it faster
yes this is exactly what i mean..
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-11 11:43:29
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
refresh will be f***** useless... mp full will be increase.. we need refresh II here...
lolwut
I think what he means is we will have alot more mp to fill... not really the best of points. A better one would be we will be spending mp much faster (which SE has admitted) and therefore will need to refill it faster
I agree that refresh II would be much better, but that doesn't make refresh completely useless.

It doesn't make it useless in any way tbh. It's like saying regen will be useless because we'll have a higher max HP.
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By Gilgamesh.Nezea 2010-06-11 11:43:57
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
I wasn't talking about Klimaform, I was using that as an example of how Self-cast Dark Magic does extend to the Party with Manifesation, to substantiate speculation that Dark Knight will soon be able to Dread Spikes a party.

Sorry XD the part about "the age of DRK support has come" suggested to me that you were talking about Klimaform also.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-11 11:45:21
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
refresh will be f***** useless... mp full will be increase.. we need refresh II here...
lolwut
I think what he means is we will have alot more mp to fill... not really the best of points. A better one would be we will be spending mp much faster (which SE has admitted) and therefore will need to refill it faster
I agree that refresh II would be much better, but that doesn't make refresh completely useless.
Oh I know it wont be useless. But it's usefulness will be lowered a bit. I mean look at FOV refresh. It *** rocks at low lvls. At higher lvls... well we pretty much expect/need at least 3 refresh on the healer lol
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By Fenrir.Soulslasher 2010-06-11 11:45:36
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Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Fenrir.Soulslasher said:
refresh will be f***** useless... mp full will be increase.. we need refresh II here...
lolwut
I think what he means is we will have alot more mp to fill... not really the best of points. A better one would be we will be spending mp much faster (which SE has admitted) and therefore will need to refill it faster
yes this is exactly what i mean..
by the way that is "mp pool" lmao...
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-11 11:48:14
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Gilgamesh.Nezea said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
I wasn't talking about Klimaform, I was using that as an example of how Self-cast Dark Magic does extend to the Party with Manifesation, to substantiate speculation that Dark Knight will soon be able to Dread Spikes a party.

Sorry XD the part about "the age of DRK support has come" suggested to me that you were talking about Klimaform also.

Nah, but seriously, when you think about it. A Job like Paladin Having access to dread spikes really can raise some eyebrows. Granted, Manifestation is going to make the recast around 8 minutes, but that 1 minute of Spikes might be enough to let your mages recover MP after a string of suck.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-06-11 11:53:21
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
Gilgamesh.Nezea said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
I wasn't talking about Klimaform, I was using that as an example of how Self-cast Dark Magic does extend to the Party with Manifesation, to substantiate speculation that Dark Knight will soon be able to Dread Spikes a party.

Sorry XD the part about "the age of DRK support has come" suggested to me that you were talking about Klimaform also.

Nah, but seriously, when you think about it. A Job like Paladin Having access to dread spikes really can raise some eyebrows. Granted, Manifestation is going to make the recast around 8 minutes, but that 1 minute of Spikes might be enough to let your mages recover MP after a string of suck.
You have my attention, Sir.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-11 11:53:23
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Still wanna see drain IIga.
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By Gilgamesh.Nezea 2010-06-11 11:55:25
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PLD with dread spikes would be pretty amazing.

But I'm not so sure about totally gimping yourself to /SCH on DRK for something that situational with such long recast :\ certainly in the eyes of most people I think the idea of DRK/SCH would be too lolworthy for them to allow it to happen.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-06-11 11:55:50
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Still wanna see drain IIga.

I dont think absorb-mnd-ga stacks the mnd you drain, so I dont think Drain II will either =/
But hey, let's hope so!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-11 11:56:09
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Well according to the notes /sch manifestation triples recast time and dread spikes is 3min. So if you do alacrity with it should be base 4.5min with capped -recast can get that to like 2.25ish min. Though you will only have 1 strat back up by then
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-11 11:57:28
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Still wanna see drain IIga.
I dont think absorb-mnd-ga stacks the mnd you drain, so I dont think Drain II will either =/
But hey, let's hope so!
Well a sch I know says absorb-vit does when she does it in campaign... but that was awhile so might have been changed anyways
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2010-06-11 11:58:05
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I've tried looking at all the various threads, and was wondering if anyone could answer one question for me:

Would I need to purchase the add-on scenario to get the level cap? Or will the level cap come with just the non-storyline based content? With everything I've read, I've sort of assumed that the level cap comes with the purchase of the add-on scenario, and I hope someone could prove me wrong, because I'm a bit strapped for cash ATM. Thanks for the help~~

Otherwise, go go 80WHM/40SCH~~ Whee~~
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-11 11:59:45
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Cap is raised as an update. The new areas/items are expansion content.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-11 12:00:23
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Ragnarok.Ghishlain said:
I've tried looking at all the various threads, and was wondering if anyone could answer one question for me:

Would I need to purchase the add-on scenario to get the level cap? Or will the level cap come with just the non-storyline based content? With everything I've read, I've sort of assumed that the level cap comes with the purchase of the add-on scenario, and I hope someone could prove me wrong, because I'm a bit strapped for cash ATM. Thanks for the help~~

Otherwise, go go 80WHM/40SCH~~ Whee~~

I'd assume the expansion won't be needed.

Not been announced yet, but I doubt it very much that you'll need the exp.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-11 12:05:00
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Ragnarok.Ghishlain said:
I've tried looking at all the various threads, and was wondering if anyone could answer one question for me:

Would I need to purchase the add-on scenario to get the level cap? Or will the level cap come with just the non-storyline based content? With everything I've read, I've sort of assumed that the level cap comes with the purchase of the add-on scenario, and I hope someone could prove me wrong, because I'm a bit strapped for cash ATM. Thanks for the help~~

Otherwise, go go 80WHM/40SCH~~ Whee~~

I don't think they are going Broken steel on us XD

Level Cap, Walk of Echos(New, NEW zone), Various Synthesis Armors/weapons, all will be open through the Free Version Update.

Abyssea Battle related Content, including the Empyrean Weapons, and the Zones of Abyssea-La'Theine,Tahrongi,Konshcat will only be available if you Purchase the Micro expansion, Vision of Abyssea.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2010-06-11 12:05:42
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If QD works with bows, RDM/COR would be boss.
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2010-06-11 12:06:41
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Okay, thanks to all the replies~~! =D
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-06-11 12:19:32
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I wonder if /blu will provide anything worthwhile now. Jet-stream, Blank Gaze and Mysterious Light are all potentially useful spells that you'd now have access to as /blu, but I'm thinking more about now being able to use CA, making any job able to self SC. THF/BLU in particular might be able to do something worthwhile with a TA ws > SA spell or vice versa. (Does thf/blu still get a damage bonus for trick attack if they stack it with a spell?)
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By Halfpint 2010-06-11 12:20:12
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HMMM....have read through 7 pages of stuff and have come away with..... convert and refresh are no longer exclusively RDM.... RDM might get a refresh II.... MAYbe some higher tiered elemental spells... and except for chainspell, there is nothing unique about rdm other than phalanxII, and the few higher tiered enfeebs we already have.

6 months ago i could enter the game, throw up my flag and have a pt in less then a minute. NOW, it is not unusual to be waiting for up to an hour before I get an invite. I am sure this is the same way WHM felt when merit parties began and all of the sudden they were not needed because a rdm/whm provided curing with less down time.

ANYHOW can someone direct me to the site that has all the information you have been discussing..would like to see it for myself
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-11 12:20:29
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Odin.Blazza said:
I wonder if /blu will provide anything worthwhile now. Jet-stream, Blank Gaze and Mysterious Light are all potentially useful spells that you'd now have access to as /blu, but I'm thinking more about now being able to use CA, making any job able to self SC. THF/BLU in particular might be able to do something worthwhile with a TA ws > SA spell or vice versa. (Does thf/blu still get a damage bonus for trick attack if they stack it with a spell?)

/BLU for cocoon is already broken as *** for PLD.

Halfpint said:
HMMM....have read through 7 pages of stuff and have come away with..... convert and refresh are no longer exclusively RDM.... RDM might get a refresh II.... MAYbe some higher tiered elemental spells... and except for chainspell, there is nothing unique about rdm other than phalanxII, and the few higher tiered enfeebs we already have.

6 months ago i could enter the game, throw up my flag and have a pt in less then a minute. NOW, it is not unusual to be waiting for up to an hour before I get an invite. I am sure this is the same way WHM felt when merit parties began and all of the sudden they were not needed because a rdm/whm provided curing with less down time.

ANYHOW can someone direct me to the site that has all the information you have been discussing..would like to see it for myself


Refresh is 41, they have a whole update cycle to balance and add new things before Refresh sub is an issue.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-11 12:23:13
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Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said:
If QD works with bows, RDM/COR would be boss.
I'm more excited about boosting my own debuffs
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-06-11 12:26:00
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RDM also has the highest enfeebling skill and fast cast. I think even without refresh II that rdm isn't about to get replaced, even when level cap is 82+. It could well be that rdm/sch comes the new norm as opposed to rdm/whm (and I am NOT looking forward to unlocking/levelling /sch), but I think rdm itself is pretty safe.

Personally, I'm just wondering what level we will start getting T4 nukes.
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By Asura.Citag 2010-06-11 12:28:54
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Odin.Blazza said:
I'm just wondering what level we will start getting T4 nukes.

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