Hades.Cheyne said:
I heard tiers are for ***.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3bwu0dNCAU
case in point
if you dont want to watch. Mewtwo (lowest tier char) holds his own vs fox (#1 char)
Smash Bros, Anyone?
Smash bros, anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3bwu0dNCAU
case in point
if you dont want to watch. Mewtwo (lowest tier char) holds his own vs fox (#1 char)
Tiers only matter in tournaments. Sure someone could be boss with the lowest tier, but if someone is anything decent with Meta Knight, anyone else doesn't stand a chance. Sorry, but facts are facts. He's just too fast and strong. It all comes down to frames.
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
Tiers only matter in tournaments. Sure someone could be boss with the lowest tier, but if someone is anything decent with Meta Knight, anyone else doesn't stand a chance. Sorry, but facts are facts. He's just too fast and strong. It all comes down to frames.
i would argue the exact opposite. Tiers only matter in casual play. Simply because expert level lower tier players know the ins and outs of how to beat the Fox's Dr Mario's and MK. I play marth and i only get shined about 20% of the time.
but i do love MK, even before he was found to be top tier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFpRQdOuQ0
LOL
You can try to argue all you want, but it all comes down to frames. Meta Knight has too many strong moves that are faster than ANY OTHER MOVE any other character has. You cannot beat it. It is inevitable. Casual doesn't matter since...well, it's casual. Who cares how good you do. Just having fun doesn't determine how good someone is.
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
You can try to argue all you want, but it all comes down to frames. Meta Knight has too many strong moves that are faster than ANY OTHER MOVE any other character has. You cannot beat it. It is inevitable. Casual doesn't matter since...well, it's casual. Who cares how good you do. Just having fun doesn't determine how good someone is.
....so how do people that play Dedede and lucas win tournys?
I will accept certain characters are better than others, but inevitable? impossible? not at all
Tiers are there for a reason. Yes, a Ganondorf can beat a Metaknight, but take the best ganon ever and the best metaknight ever, and Meta is going to wipe the floor w/ him.
It's like gear in ffxi.
Someone w/o byakko's can ourparse someone w/ Byakko's. Doesn't make those
Aurore brais better, it just means the other person was a better player.
Tiers are this way. Each char has a max potential. Metaknight has the highest potential. Metaknight doesn't guarantee victory. Just because the potential is there doesn't mean it's being used. It is up to the player for that. Which is why you can see skilled ganons take out mediocre metaknights with ease.
It's like gear in ffxi.
Someone w/o byakko's can ourparse someone w/ Byakko's. Doesn't make those
Aurore brais better, it just means the other person was a better player.
Tiers are this way. Each char has a max potential. Metaknight has the highest potential. Metaknight doesn't guarantee victory. Just because the potential is there doesn't mean it's being used. It is up to the player for that. Which is why you can see skilled ganons take out mediocre metaknights with ease.
Leviathan.Yokhai said:
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
You can try to argue all you want, but it all comes down to frames. Meta Knight has too many strong moves that are faster than ANY OTHER MOVE any other character has. You cannot beat it. It is inevitable. Casual doesn't matter since...well, it's casual. Who cares how good you do. Just having fun doesn't determine how good someone is.
....so how do people that play Dedede and lucas win tournys?
I will accept certain characters are better than others, but inevitable? impossible? not at all
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Tiers are there for a reason. Yes, a Ganondorf can beat a Metaknight, but take the best ganon ever and the best metaknight ever, and Meta is going to wipe the floor w/ him.
Was just about to post this. :P
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Tiers are there for a reason. Yes, a Ganondorf can beat a Metaknight, but take the best ganon ever and the best metaknight ever, and Meta is going to wipe the floor w/ him.
I'd watch that fight. I just honestly think tiers become irrelevant to expert players. Its no longer about the frame rate or cheese moves, but how you play digital chess with the other player. When you play against MK, you know whats coming, you know what he is going to do and how much faster he is. You know how to get around it or block it. There is no OP char that no one else can deal with, there are some characters that MUCH stronger than the rest, but they can be contained.
Ganon just plain can't move fast enough to block or dodge (or especially counter) a well executed attack from metaknight. Even if the guy playing ganon sees it coming, it's still going to be incredibly hard for him to actually execute the dodge/block/counter.
If ganon wins, it's because the person playing ganon is a better player. If they are both equally skilled, Metaknight will win the majority of the matches.
If ganon wins, it's because the person playing ganon is a better player. If they are both equally skilled, Metaknight will win the majority of the matches.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Ganon just plain can't move fast enough to block or dodge (or especially counter) a well executed attack from metaknight. Even if the guy playing ganon sees it coming, it's still going to be incredibly hard for him to actually execute the dodge/block/counter.
If ganon wins, it's because the person playing ganon is a better player. If they are both equally skilled, Metaknight will win the majority of the matches.
If ganon wins, it's because the person playing ganon is a better player. If they are both equally skilled, Metaknight will win the majority of the matches.
Then whats the point for any expert level people for playing anything other than MK and fox?
Except for Meta Knight. Simply said, he is OP, lol. Accept it. ACCEPT IT
Leviathan.Yokhai said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Ganon just plain can't move fast enough to block or dodge (or especially counter) a well executed attack from metaknight. Even if the guy playing ganon sees it coming, it's still going to be incredibly hard for him to actually execute the dodge/block/counter.
If ganon wins, it's because the person playing ganon is a better player. If they are both equally skilled, Metaknight will win the majority of the matches.
If ganon wins, it's because the person playing ganon is a better player. If they are both equally skilled, Metaknight will win the majority of the matches.
Then whats the point for any expert level people for playing anything other than MK and fox?
I ask myself this all the time. Perhaps they want to prove something. But as long as that one pro whips out Meta Knight...it's over dude.
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
Except for Meta Knight. Simply said, he is OP, lol. Accept it. ACCEPT IT
haha, ideology rape...it hurts less if you just take it
NEVAR!!!
I really wouldnt know cause i play MK and Marth, so i don't really get rape faced by MK (Marth can pwn all but the most leet MK)
Can also think of Tiers as difficulty level.
Let's say you take that same Metaknight and put him vs fox. You take the ganon and put him against fox.
Fox uses move #1
Metaknight can dodge, block, or counter this move
Ganon can dodge or block this move.
Metaknight's moves have high priority and can often interrupt other attacks, where as Ganon doesn't have this.
It is now more difficult for a skilled Ganon to defeat fox than a skilled metaknight. Because Meta has more options in almost every situation.
Let's say you take that same Metaknight and put him vs fox. You take the ganon and put him against fox.
Fox uses move #1
Metaknight can dodge, block, or counter this move
Ganon can dodge or block this move.
Metaknight's moves have high priority and can often interrupt other attacks, where as Ganon doesn't have this.
It is now more difficult for a skilled Ganon to defeat fox than a skilled metaknight. Because Meta has more options in almost every situation.
Leviathan.Yokhai said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Ganon just plain can't move fast enough to block or dodge (or especially counter) a well executed attack from metaknight. Even if the guy playing ganon sees it coming, it's still going to be incredibly hard for him to actually execute the dodge/block/counter.
If ganon wins, it's because the person playing ganon is a better player. If they are both equally skilled, Metaknight will win the majority of the matches.
If ganon wins, it's because the person playing ganon is a better player. If they are both equally skilled, Metaknight will win the majority of the matches.
Then whats the point for any expert level people for playing anything other than MK and fox?
TWoods i'll accept that answer, and thats the way i feel. I wont deny that Meta is OP, just not impassable.
I need to play a good snake....most of the guys i play with stick to fox and mario
I enjoy challenge, so I use Peach. No one expects a good Peach, then I appear. I have my campus cringe when someone selects Peach now, lol. Of course, only one other guy and I use Peach.
Leviathan.Yokhai said:
I need to play a good snake....most of the guys i play with stick to fox and mario
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Leviathan.Yokhai said:
I need to play a good snake....most of the guys i play with stick to fox and mario
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I suck, im just better than most of my friends, other than my tourny level friend who mains fox. But he shines too much...
My old roommate was a beast with Samus in Melee, i didnt realize she got knocked down since Brawl. I *** hated dealing with missle barage and hyper beam on a flat level (we played FD for most "serious" matchups)
Hase and I had some fun today. Random chars, items on, wacky stages, etc.
I do Random all the time unless you tell me to use Peach, lol.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Hase and I had some fun today. Random chars, items on, wacky stages, etc.
pokeball onry :-P
Leviathan.Yokhai said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Hase and I had some fun today. Random chars, items on, wacky stages, etc.
pokeball onry :-P
I did this ALL THE *** TIME in Melee since there was no limit. Now that there's a limit to 3 of one item on the field at once...it's not fun =/
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
Leviathan.Yokhai said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Hase and I had some fun today. Random chars, items on, wacky stages, etc.
pokeball onry :-P
I did this ALL THE *** TIME in Melee since there was no limit. Now that there's a limit to 3 of one item on the field at once...it's not fun =/
yeah i dont really play brawl that much
but i remember putting item spawn to max, and item number to max, and having like 5-6 pokemon out at a time, it was epic
Lol, I'm trying to set up a match w/ Faye. She's going to kick my *** :(
RAWR!
Anyone want to vs before I have to work in 2 hours?
Anyone want to vs before I have to work in 2 hours?
In a pt now :( Tryin to get 85 cor or I would.
Sad panda :(
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