Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Not to mention that Dual Wield is still very strong on WAR in the right kind of situation :p underrated!
Woodville Vs Maneater
Woodville vs Maneater
Swd chuck gooooooooooooooooooooo
Pretty much. Any situation you can cap accuracy without sacrifice (see: Pizza), the frequency of attacks from Joyeuse and/or Ridill can be very dangerous.
Thanks folks, I really do appreciate the input. I suppose I will continue to carry 3 axes for my various scenarios until I can move into endgame and get myself a temp axe or get capt rank in whitegate and work on an Aymur.
Which begs I ask another question...does temperance proc double attack more than mythic axe? Both say "occasionally attacks twice" but I know from observation that certain weapons percentage is higher than others.
Yes that is off topic and I prob should ask that under a diff thread heading.
However thank you again for the input...I just cant bring myself to sell any of the three...I have somehow logically deduced a need for multiple combination's of these three weapons...anal...yes I know.
Which begs I ask another question...does temperance proc double attack more than mythic axe? Both say "occasionally attacks twice" but I know from observation that certain weapons percentage is higher than others.
Yes that is off topic and I prob should ask that under a diff thread heading.
However thank you again for the input...I just cant bring myself to sell any of the three...I have somehow logically deduced a need for multiple combination's of these three weapons...anal...yes I know.
Necro Bump Detected!
[145 days between previous and next post]
Bump, because I was confused while reading this thread and would like to simply know--Woodville/Maneater > Maneater/Iron Ram Pick > Woodville/Iron Ram Pick? Or not?
And 'cause I'm OCD:
Woodville's axe
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1042 DMG:50 Delay:288 STR+4 Spell interruption rate down 5%
LV 72 WAR DRK BST RNG
maneater
[Main] All Races
DPS: 935 DMG:43 Delay:276
Latent effect: DPS: 1065 DMG:49 Attack +18 Accuracy +5
LV 73 WAR DRK BST RNG
Iron Ram pick
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1052 DMG:47 Delay:268 Attack+10 Enhances "Resist Curse" effect
LV 71 WAR DRK BST RNG
And 'cause I'm OCD:
Woodville's axe
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1042 DMG:50 Delay:288 STR+4 Spell interruption rate down 5%
LV 72 WAR DRK BST RNG
maneater
[Main] All Races
DPS: 935 DMG:43 Delay:276
Latent effect: DPS: 1065 DMG:49 Attack +18 Accuracy +5
LV 73 WAR DRK BST RNG
Iron Ram pick
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1052 DMG:47 Delay:268 Attack+10 Enhances "Resist Curse" effect
LV 71 WAR DRK BST RNG
In all reality you should use gaxe if you aren't using at least 1 multi hit weapon.
Bahamut.Dasva said:
In all reality you should use gaxe if you aren't using at least 1 multi hit weapon.
if you are ocd about best possible damage you could use dual axes in xp 55-59 non colibri
not that i'm sure conventional xp parties even exist anymore
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
;_;
...yeah i'll prolly go back to the old one in a bit
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bump, because I was confused while reading this thread and would like to simply know--Woodville/Maneater > Maneater/Iron Ram Pick > Woodville/Iron Ram Pick? Or not?
And 'cause I'm OCD:
Woodville's axe
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1042 DMG:50 Delay:288 STR+4 Spell interruption rate down 5%
LV 72 WAR DRK BST RNG
maneater
[Main] All Races
DPS: 935 DMG:43 Delay:276
Latent effect: DPS: 1065 DMG:49 Attack +18 Accuracy +5
LV 73 WAR DRK BST RNG
Iron Ram pick
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1052 DMG:47 Delay:268 Attack+10 Enhances "Resist Curse" effect
LV 71 WAR DRK BST RNG
And 'cause I'm OCD:
Woodville's axe
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1042 DMG:50 Delay:288 STR+4 Spell interruption rate down 5%
LV 72 WAR DRK BST RNG
maneater
[Main] All Races
DPS: 935 DMG:43 Delay:276
Latent effect: DPS: 1065 DMG:49 Attack +18 Accuracy +5
LV 73 WAR DRK BST RNG
Iron Ram pick
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1052 DMG:47 Delay:268 Attack+10 Enhances "Resist Curse" effect
LV 71 WAR DRK BST RNG
EDIT:
This guy took care of it on the first page mainly:
Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Wood/Man (Best WS damage the higher base DMG beats out Juggy Easy again)
Man/IronRam (Best DoT Factored in with Weaponskills beats Juggy easy..)
Man/Temp.(Awsome multi attacking weapon for BST) Good for Primal Rend Spam?
Juggy is just a huge waste of gil. Sell it and keep a Maneater/Woods/IR Pick since BST can't use GAXE :D
Man/IronRam (Best DoT Factored in with Weaponskills beats Juggy easy..)
Man/Temp.(Awsome multi attacking weapon for BST) Good for Primal Rend Spam?
Juggy is just a huge waste of gil. Sell it and keep a Maneater/Woods/IR Pick since BST can't use GAXE :D
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bump, because I was confused while reading this thread and would like to simply know--Woodville/Maneater > Maneater/Iron Ram Pick > Woodville/Iron Ram Pick? Or not?
And 'cause I'm OCD:
Woodville's axe
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1042 DMG:50 Delay:288 STR+4 Spell interruption rate down 5%
LV 72 WAR DRK BST RNG
maneater
[Main] All Races
DPS: 935 DMG:43 Delay:276
Latent effect: DPS: 1065 DMG:49 Attack +18 Accuracy +5
LV 73 WAR DRK BST RNG
Iron Ram pick
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1052 DMG:47 Delay:268 Attack+10 Enhances "Resist Curse" effect
LV 71 WAR DRK BST RNG
And 'cause I'm OCD:
Woodville's axe
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1042 DMG:50 Delay:288 STR+4 Spell interruption rate down 5%
LV 72 WAR DRK BST RNG
maneater
[Main] All Races
DPS: 935 DMG:43 Delay:276
Latent effect: DPS: 1065 DMG:49 Attack +18 Accuracy +5
LV 73 WAR DRK BST RNG
Iron Ram pick
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1052 DMG:47 Delay:268 Attack+10 Enhances "Resist Curse" effect
LV 71 WAR DRK BST RNG
EDIT:
This guy took care of it on the first page mainly:
Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Wood/Man (Best WS damage the higher base DMG beats out Juggy Easy again)
Man/IronRam (Best DoT Factored in with Weaponskills beats Juggy easy..)
Man/Temp.(Awsome multi attacking weapon for BST) Good for Primal Rend Spam?
Juggy is just a huge waste of gil. Sell it and keep a Maneater/Woods/IR Pick since BST can't use GAXE :D
Man/IronRam (Best DoT Factored in with Weaponskills beats Juggy easy..)
Man/Temp.(Awsome multi attacking weapon for BST) Good for Primal Rend Spam?
Juggy is just a huge waste of gil. Sell it and keep a Maneater/Woods/IR Pick since BST can't use GAXE :D
as far as for what you've got now
assuming you exclude ga/polearm
man/joy
(i'm assuming that as a 75 pld onry you've got sword merits)
[+]
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bump, because I was confused while reading this thread and would like to simply know--Woodville/Maneater > Maneater/Iron Ram Pick > Woodville/Iron Ram Pick? Or not?
And 'cause I'm OCD:
Woodville's axe
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1042 DMG:50 Delay:288 STR+4 Spell interruption rate down 5%
LV 72 WAR DRK BST RNG
maneater
[Main] All Races
DPS: 935 DMG:43 Delay:276
Latent effect: DPS: 1065 DMG:49 Attack +18 Accuracy +5
LV 73 WAR DRK BST RNG
Iron Ram pick
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1052 DMG:47 Delay:268 Attack+10 Enhances "Resist Curse" effect
LV 71 WAR DRK BST RNG
And 'cause I'm OCD:
Woodville's axe
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1042 DMG:50 Delay:288 STR+4 Spell interruption rate down 5%
LV 72 WAR DRK BST RNG
maneater
[Main] All Races
DPS: 935 DMG:43 Delay:276
Latent effect: DPS: 1065 DMG:49 Attack +18 Accuracy +5
LV 73 WAR DRK BST RNG
Iron Ram pick
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1052 DMG:47 Delay:268 Attack+10 Enhances "Resist Curse" effect
LV 71 WAR DRK BST RNG
EDIT:
This guy took care of it on the first page mainly:
Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Wood/Man (Best WS damage the higher base DMG beats out Juggy Easy again)
Man/IronRam (Best DoT Factored in with Weaponskills beats Juggy easy..)
Man/Temp.(Awsome multi attacking weapon for BST) Good for Primal Rend Spam?
Juggy is just a huge waste of gil. Sell it and keep a Maneater/Woods/IR Pick since BST can't use GAXE :D
Man/IronRam (Best DoT Factored in with Weaponskills beats Juggy easy..)
Man/Temp.(Awsome multi attacking weapon for BST) Good for Primal Rend Spam?
Juggy is just a huge waste of gil. Sell it and keep a Maneater/Woods/IR Pick since BST can't use GAXE :D
as far as for what you've got now
assuming you exclude ga/polearm
man/joy
(i'm assuming that as a 75 pld onry you've got sword merits)
Maneater/IronRam is ~3.6% Faster than Woodsville/Maneater.
Maneater/IronRam has ~3.1% less base damage than Woodsville/Maneater, before fSTR and WSC is taken into account, but it'll drop signifigantly.
Not going to bother looking into 7 ATT. More than likely, it'll only be doing anything 40% of the time, due to Berserk.
I'm going with Maneater/IronRam winning.
Maneater/IronRam has ~3.1% less base damage than Woodsville/Maneater, before fSTR and WSC is taken into account, but it'll drop signifigantly.
Not going to bother looking into 7 ATT. More than likely, it'll only be doing anything 40% of the time, due to Berserk.
I'm going with Maneater/IronRam winning.
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
I *think* Anye was looking for an answer to the OP, which was about BST. So cross off Joyeuse and GAs. Since she has bst 1 and war 50~something I think this is more for a basic equipment thing (BST).
Caitsith.Linear said:
Maneater/IronRam is ~3.6% Faster than Woodsville/Maneater.
Maneater/IronRam has ~3.1% less base damage than Woodsville/Maneater, before fSTR and WSC is taken into account, but it'll drop signifigantly.
Not going to bother looking into 7 ATT. More than likely, it'll only be doing anything 40% of the time, due to Berserk.
I'm going with Maneater/IronRam winning.
Maneater/IronRam has ~3.1% less base damage than Woodsville/Maneater, before fSTR and WSC is taken into account, but it'll drop signifigantly.
Not going to bother looking into 7 ATT. More than likely, it'll only be doing anything 40% of the time, due to Berserk.
I'm going with Maneater/IronRam winning.
EDIT:
Caitsith.Linear said:
The OP is a BST.
Thank you, come again.
Thank you, come again.
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
I *think* Anye was looking for an answer to the OP, which was about BST. So cross off Joyeuse and GAs. Since she has bst 1 and war 50~something I think this is more for a basic equipment thing (BST).
Helix said:
Ok folks, I have been trying to do some controlled tests on two weapons, the Maneater and Woodville axe for a comparison...in all circumstances I offhanded a Juggernaut.
Here is my conclusions. I know I am going to be trolled for this but this is just what I personally have experienced and if there is a way to improve things, I am all ears.
Maneater as we all know has it’s +16 to 18 att and base dam 49 under 100 tp and because of that, it out damages Woodville under 100 tp everytime. However, after 25 rampages at 250+ tp with each axe, I have to say that overall it appears Woodville wins. I have gotten several 4 digit rampages with Woodville but have not gotten one…that’s right…none with maneater.
So what’s the deal? Maneater is supposed to be such an awesome tool but I think it is basically a little less than Woodville overall…I suppose it’s what you are looking for in a weapon. I do not have a parser but I would love to get one. Can someone tell me where to find one? I am somewhat new to this side of the game (parsing, ws damage studies, etc) but I am trying to learn and improve myself overall. please let me know your experiences and how I might do better.
You all know I am basically new at the DD side of bst. I soloed up as /whm so I am just trying to fig out how to be better as a DD and what I can do better with what I have access to. I got the message on my tp/ ws gear and I am working on that but now I am trying to figure out which is a better mainhand weapon and quite frankly I am confused. I appreciate that I am going to need a temperance axe offhand and get rid of Juggernaut but that time is not here yet.
Thank you all for your input and suggestions.
Here is my conclusions. I know I am going to be trolled for this but this is just what I personally have experienced and if there is a way to improve things, I am all ears.
Maneater as we all know has it’s +16 to 18 att and base dam 49 under 100 tp and because of that, it out damages Woodville under 100 tp everytime. However, after 25 rampages at 250+ tp with each axe, I have to say that overall it appears Woodville wins. I have gotten several 4 digit rampages with Woodville but have not gotten one…that’s right…none with maneater.
So what’s the deal? Maneater is supposed to be such an awesome tool but I think it is basically a little less than Woodville overall…I suppose it’s what you are looking for in a weapon. I do not have a parser but I would love to get one. Can someone tell me where to find one? I am somewhat new to this side of the game (parsing, ws damage studies, etc) but I am trying to learn and improve myself overall. please let me know your experiences and how I might do better.
You all know I am basically new at the DD side of bst. I soloed up as /whm so I am just trying to fig out how to be better as a DD and what I can do better with what I have access to. I got the message on my tp/ ws gear and I am working on that but now I am trying to figure out which is a better mainhand weapon and quite frankly I am confused. I appreciate that I am going to need a temperance axe offhand and get rid of Juggernaut but that time is not here yet.
Thank you all for your input and suggestions.
But clearly he is asking about BST.
Ah. Well, still, 7 ATT is going to do next to nothing either way. And what it does do goes in favor of Maneater/IronRam. So it wins by even more.
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
as far as for what you've got now
assuming you exclude ga/polearm
man/joy
(i'm assuming that as a 75 pld onry you've got sword merits)
assuming you exclude ga/polearm
man/joy
(i'm assuming that as a 75 pld onry you've got sword merits)
But thanks for all other replies as well, helps me plan things out as I go along. :)
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
as far as for what you've got now
assuming you exclude ga/polearm
man/joy
(i'm assuming that as a 75 pld onry you've got sword merits)
assuming you exclude ga/polearm
man/joy
(i'm assuming that as a 75 pld onry you've got sword merits)
But thanks for all other replies as well, helps me plan things out as I go along. :)
needs more man joy :D
Out of randomness, thought I would add in that BST can get axe-chucks now. And that's not including OAT or 2-3 Magians. Makes for some sexy Primal Rend spam, I guess.
(I know nothing of BST.)
(I know nothing of BST.)
Bahamut.Aiyana said:
Out of randomness, thought I would add in that BST can get axe-chucks now. And that's not including OAT or 2-3 Magians. Makes for some sexy Primal Rend spam, I guess. (I know nothing of BST.)
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Bahamut.Aiyana said:
Out of randomness, thought I would add in that BST can get axe-chucks now. And that's not including OAT or 2-3 Magians. Makes for some sexy Primal Rend spam, I guess. (I know nothing of BST.)
As I said, I have no idea. Just the concept of axe-chucks is hilarious to me. :D
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Helix said:
Ok folks, I have been trying to do some controlled tests on two weapons, the Maneater and Woodville axe for a comparison...in all circumstances I offhanded a Juggernaut.
Fail.
Helix said:
Here is my conclusions. I know I am going to be trolled for this but this is just what I personally have experienced and if there is a way to improve things, I am all ears.
Maneater as we all know has it’s +16 to 18 att and base dam 49 under 100 tp and because of that, it out damages Woodville under 100 tp everytime. However, after 25 rampages at 250+ tp with each axe, I have to say that overall it appears Woodville wins. I have gotten several 4 digit rampages with Woodville but have not gotten one…that’s right…none with maneater.
Maneater as we all know has it’s +16 to 18 att and base dam 49 under 100 tp and because of that, it out damages Woodville under 100 tp everytime. However, after 25 rampages at 250+ tp with each axe, I have to say that overall it appears Woodville wins. I have gotten several 4 digit rampages with Woodville but have not gotten one…that’s right…none with maneater.
Oh, there is no way it can get any better than that! Right?
Helix said:
You all know I am basically new at the DD side of bst.
Now I know what everyone was thinking thinking. It could get better!
Necro bumped thread. :/
They probably won't read any of this response.
How old is this thread? Was it before Magian Trials =.=a?
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