Is FFXI Gonna Be More Of A Challenge Again?

I agree with OP, SE needs to stop catering to the slobs who want everything to be easy so they can get all the best items w/o being any good. Everyone knows ppl with l33t VWNM gear that just flat out suck as a player, pretty disgusting.

with the right people, none of the content is hard. but if the players are not experienced or know how to handle situations... we all have that friend that panics on rdm and doesnt sleep or gravity or w/e when they should, that makes the game difficult. at 75 cap, nothing was hard and a lot of the game with my hnmls went into easy mode. what did i do... hmm what can i solo on rdm/nin or on blm... faust at 75, not impossible but it was hard. sea nms, not impossible but it took time and it was hard. when they released nms in the past in beadeaux (s) and what not, again not hard but im sure 90% of the server could not have done it and it was a blast. just my 2 cents.

Let me guess, you're low-manning 90 cap VW mobs at level 99, and complaining the game is too easy?

i assume thats to the OP.
Personally, i stopped worrying about the game being easy or hard and just started focusing on personal achievements such as my relic and whatever my 4-5 close friends would like to obtain. what someone said earlier, i just enjoy the game with friends not as hardcore as i felt the game was before.

not all that long ago i level synced to my mule at 75 and did rdm vs. kb was pretty fun

Yeah, to the OP.
Also, same, I just try to enjoy things and stab them to death.

i think it never was a challenge to begin with, just sheer luck, and the amount of time sinking you were willing to devote. almost every strategy was BURN THIS, ZERG THAT, throwing bodies at it while a pld/DD/whatever held things tight.

game hasnt been made easier, just made more accessible to people who have things to do other than spend all day slaving over a relic, camping kings vs every other bot for hours, etc.

If you don't think there was any more strategy at 75 cap then throwing bodies at something you didn't play then. The game is just as much of a timesink as it's always been.

itt: rose colored glasses

This is how was FFXI before,
http://www.historyfans.com/Sanguo/Ocean/ffxi.html
personally, i miss how it was before VS now.

There is some realy realy good idea on the new FFXI we have now, and i still enjoy it, but the challenge is not here annymore thats all, i think the only real challenge you have now is based on luck for drop rate or on time spend on grind some repetitive farm.

About VW, they are boring, they are some toy we play with it...
We even "maintain" them alive, like there is no danger at all (exept maybe 2 or 3 dead per error)
We are close to feel mercy for them soon...

I would like personally to see back in game HNM where you are "afraid" of them, and where he only target for the team is "Kill it before he kill you"

Since when do you was proud of winning a title from an HNM?

PS: sorry for my English skill

I am not gunna lie, Lubu's story made me cry when I thought back on my early FF days and remember doing things with friends who no longer play. Thanks for sharing that link.

FFXI wasn't hard?



I beg to differ. :(

Its another one of these posts hehe, though I agree with the OP. Sure you can try to do Rani with a level 30 SAM, but what is the point? Challenge should also be I've worked my butt off and I did the research grabbed my talented linkshell, even spent time getting THE best gear, making sure all my stuff is merited and I'm still getting my butt handed to me. Its no fun most of the time when the challenge originates because I am pusposely gimping myself.

That being said there is a taste of this coming back into the game. Some of the Dynamis NM's are tough, especially the arch bosses. Also, a few of the new WoE fluxes can be tough, check it out!

And look at this video its epic,
So, nowaday when you kill an "HNM" i dont think you will have the same type of excitation...

LOVE IT! lol I miss doing stuff like that! ^^;

I can't be the only one who remembers doing Lvl 1 (naked) races to Jeuno? Or going exploring in new areas with friends... only get completely lost, run into some random NM, and end up laughing too hard to be of any real help in the fight?

@redcat lol i so remember that jeuno was the place to have your hp, remember subjob items haha 50 people fighting over ghhouls in dunes.

@nate i agree 100% no effort needed to work for it want a emp buy one, want a relic buy one, want lvl 1-95 hell 41/2 days its yours. Oddly I was in a vw pick up group last night 99 nin...99 damn ninja!!!! 0 san spells and a kannagi 85...wtf wtf wtf......
I cant wait for new stuff to come out

Edit: was just made aware by another forum user that was in party he did have 1 san spell I apologize

LS orgasim LOL

Arch DL as well
granted, that relies more on luck than challenge, but still. not easy

The challenges are there, you just have to look for them. You're not gonna take Arch dynamis Lord or Arch angra Mainyu low-man. And you're not gonna be able to beat em by throwing 18 bodies at it either. Takes a strategy and a concerted focus. Any Voidwatch requires a diverse group; some requiring alot more than mere bodies with procs as well.

I enjoy soloing as well. It's why I leveled Rdm and geared it as I have. However, I enjoy doing things with other people more, hence why I run a dynamis shell. It's an MMO, if you don't enjoy doing things with other people, you're better off with a Wii.

the game is designed for casual play now, everything is soloable or duoable now but voidwatch (some nms are sch soloable as shown on some videos tho) but doesn't count, this game doesn't really have any challenge but mythics, unless you count a 2 days almace/kannagi a challenge? collecting 50 glavoid shells can be a challenge, but everything else is a joke, i know people that got lvl 95 in 1 day with cap quest included

Its only fun if everyone else is forced into it also, 90% of the server not being able to do/kill it =how it should be. Who cares what other ppl can solo its an MMO, you wont any recognition over it.

wat

90% is a big number, more like 75%.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the direction XI has gone, but it still wasn't about skill back then. XI has always been a time sink. It was all about how many hours a day you could devote to a scheduled linkshell event (sea/sky/dynamis/limbus) or how readily available you could be (Kings). Finding the time to do all that as well as grind xp on crabs in Kuftal takes a lot of freakin time. I was 21, married with a wife and kids when I started playing this game, so all that time sink was out for me. Took me 9 months to hit 75 on rdm, and it was my only 75 for like a year.

However, for me, when I got to tag along with some friends to do Kirin, it was great. THat feeling is forever gone now, because there is nearly nothing that youcan't shout up a group for anymore. I do kinda miss it, even though I am a "*** casual" as Draylo would put it.

Edit: If some of this stuff seems to make no sense, its because I type while I think, and my mind is always all over the place.

This is one of the dumber posts I've seen in a while.

Fun is what you make of it.

If you get no satisfaction out of defeating something without the crutches of Cruor buffs and Atma, just because other people aren't also "forced into" such limitations, then that means you're basing your "fun" on how others play FFXI, not how you play it.

It's such a tired, tired refrain ... stop worrying about how your gear, your WS damage, and your kill-list compares to other players. No one gives a sh*t in the end. Play to have fun and enjoy your recreational time. FFXI is a game, not a lifestyle. If it is a lifestyle to you, then you should check yourself.

Fear not noble champions of the grind, your lord and god Tanaka has heard the cries for help and is delivering a dose of old-school .1% drop NMs and endless grinds tied to the random number generator.

CHALLENGE? BALANCE? INSANITY? I report, you decide. Let's enter the no-spin zone.

Soon you and your non-existent friends will be slaving away at Voidwatch until you're 40 to get Heavy Metal along with the upgrade items for Relics/Mythics. Upgrades? Who needs those when infinite sidegrades are far more exciting to the playerbase. +1 VIT and some skill for hours of work. Gosh darn it this is AMAZING I LOVE YOU TANAKA.

All those 21-24hr HNMs you've missed? They'll be back so you can funnel items to the few while ingratiating the masses that one day they too will get a pair of Herald's Gaiters mk. II. I bet you can't wait to unleash those bots, camp mobs for 6-7hrs straight while cheering to yourself about how awesome you are when the program claims the monster for you. Yes! You are the best, invincible and otherwise awesome.

Nyzul II? Looks like more lotteries abound with endless grinds being the challenge you've died for since Abyssea. Bored of grinding the same NM in Voidwatch for logs/ores? I bet you can't wait to sink your teeth into Nyzul where progress isn't static and depends on the computer not screwing around with you. Getting a set of +5 will be the new Salvage where skill means nothing and luck means everything.

CHALLENGE!

But what of the Walk of Echoes Spar? What of that wonderful place where exclusive items are that no one can obtain because no one participates? Just throw it onto the bin of failed content over the years that refused to be addressed by SE my inquisitive young chaps. Apparently no one is up to the challenge of getting 20-25 ppl to clear chambers for logs/ores so you don't deserve to upgrade your WoE weapons or get any drops.

What FFXI needs is more evoliths, more Yilbegans, more shadowed VNMs, more sidegrades and copious amounts of nerfs, sparse updates and promises that take years to come to fruition.

oh you

Your avatar is awesome.
Just sayin'

If you want a challenge go try to find a group that can kill botolus rex or kalasutrax.

Oh god XD that was fun battle but didn't won XD