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 Lakshmi.Avereith
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By Lakshmi.Avereith 2018-04-25 00:01:07
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How much pet dt- is needed to cap on geo?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-25 00:45:37
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Luopans have an innate -50% Damage Taken. Pet DT caps at 87.5%, meaning only 38% of Pet: Damage Taken is needed to cap.
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-04-25 10:46:10
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MB set looking for pointers

ItemSet 358548

Grioavolr is 15 INT 29mac/30mab

Question is what do I need on gada augment wise to go gada/ammurapi over Grio/Enki. MBD sitting nicely @ 41 without weapon. Also maybe missing some GEO AF/Relic+3 thats worthy??

EDIT: why the hell do Ea Pigaches +1 only have +5 INT?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-25 12:08:24
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Geo AF+3 head, is 22% bonus MBD if BGWIKI is right, that goes over cap for cardinal chant (44% total)

Why is Ea feet int+5, int is the stat not on feet for ilvl gear.
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By Phoenix.Tearxx 2018-04-25 12:21:01
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Geo AF+3 head, is 22% bonus MBD if BGWIKI is right, that goes over cap for cardinal chant (44% total)
Shouldn't matter though since cap is 40% and you'll run Ea anyways for the MBD2+ anyways. We didn't get anything great in relic/AF for nuking. Just find 1 MBD somewhere (staff aug) and flip to Ea Pigaches +1. Basically is the same set as in the BLM forum.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-25 12:21:46
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oh it doesn't go over cap, then it's nvm

But googling cardinal chant, says it does go over the cap
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By Phoenix.Tearxx 2018-04-25 12:51:10
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Should be easy to test. Burst with Ea and with AF+3 head facing the right direction, see if you do more damage or not. If it goes over cap then should use that.
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By geigei 2018-04-25 13:01:13
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It goes over the cap, been doing Kei that way for a while now, 50k nukes are common.
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By Lakshmi.Avereith 2018-04-25 14:33:20
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
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Luopans have an innate -50% Damage Taken. Pet DT caps at 87.5%, meaning only 38% of Pet: Damage Taken is needed to cap.

tyty!
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-04-25 15:11:40
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geigei said: »
It goes over the cap, been doing Kei that way for a while now, 50k nukes are common.


Just tried on a mandy outside of Adoulin: Fusion SC + Fire3, Geo-Malaise (obviously)

Ea Hat+1 45,347 (target dead west of GEO) Burst CChant
Geo Galero +3 41,995 (target dead west of GEO) Burst CChant


Ea Hat+1 41,149(target dead east of the GEO) MAB CChant
Geo Galero +3 36,274 (target dead east of the GEO) MAB CChant

Fire5 (same as above)
Ea Hat+1 88,856 (target dead west of GEO) Burst CChant
Geo Galero +3 83,031 (target dead west of GEO) Burst CChant

Eat hat+1 81,870 (target dead east of the GEO) MAB CChant
Geo Galero +3 71,718 (target dead east of the GEO) MAB CChant

Far from scientific, but not seeing its come close to Ea hat+1
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-25 15:17:02
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Ea is 7% Galero is 22%

Both over cap. Something doesn't look right with those numbers

Your numbers have to be naked with hat only?

14burst + 38 MAB > 22 Burst (as an individual piece)

In a full set though it would be the other way, I would think
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-04-25 15:22:24
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Ea is 7% Galero is 22%

Both over cap. Something doesn't look right with those numbers

Your numbers have to be naked with hat only?

14burst + 38 MAB > 22 Burst

In a full set though it would be the other way, I would think
Was using the gearset posted above, with just swapping head, and I agree to me it doesnt seem like its breaking the cap.

Galero+3 also 7 less INT
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-25 15:24:23
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Thats impossible if chant is not counted in the 40% cap.

Do a burst totally naked (with MACC chant), vs a burst with just the +3 hat (facing burst chant) and see if you get 40% (cap) or 44% (over cap)

Account for int 36 on the head piece though
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-04-25 16:50:42
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Cure sets
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In the guide it says after 50% cure potency stack skill, but this set doesnt have 50% cure pot?
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By Asura.Bertoli 2018-04-25 17:18:58
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All those Vanya pieces can have cure pot augs.
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By Nyarlko 2018-04-25 17:20:11
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Asura.Toralin said: »
geigei said: »
It goes over the cap, been doing Kei that way for a while now, 50k nukes are common.


Just tried on a mandy outside of Adoulin: Fusion SC + Fire3, Geo-Malaise (obviously)

Ea Hat+1 45,347 (standing dead west of the mob) Burst CChant
Geo Galero +3 41,995 (standing dead west of the mob) Burst CChant


Ea Hat+1 41,149(standing dead east of the mob) MAB CChant
Geo Galero +3 36,274 (standing dead east of the mob) MAB CChant

Fire5 (same as above)
Ea Hat+1 88,856 (standing dead west of the mob) Burst CChant
Geo Galero +3 83,031 (standing dead west of the mob) Burst CChant

Eat hat+1 81,870 (standing dead east of the mob) MAB CChant
Geo Galero +3 71,718 (standing dead east of the mob) MAB CChant

Far from scientific, but not seeing its come close to Ea hat+1

You were standing in the wrong spot I think.... <,<;;
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Cardinal_Chant
According to that, you have your directions flipped.
... Still doesn't explain the lower than expected numbers :/
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-04-25 18:47:17
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Sorry my wording was confusion. I fixed it. my directions were correct on where I as standing
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-04-25 18:48:07
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Asura.Bertoli said: »
All those Vanya pieces can have cure pot augs.
If you click on the set it says GEO Cure Potency - Vanya Set: Path B Gada: Cure Potency +5%, MND +15


B is the Healing Skill path
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By Asura.Bertoli 2018-04-25 19:33:13
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Oh, didn’t see that. Looks like 29 on the armor and accesories, and the Gada is 18 + 5 on augments.
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-04-25 19:54:41
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Asura.Bertoli said: »
Oh, didn’t see that. Looks like 29 on the armor and accesories, and the Gada is 18 + 5 on augments.
oh ***I didnt see Gada had 18% on it, thats what was getting me
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-25 20:13:00
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Asura.Toralin said: »
Cure sets
ItemSet 345193

In the guide it says after 50% cure potency stack skill, but this set doesnt have 50% cure pot?

That set also doesn't use Raetic+1, which is huge for us. And ideal for us to use because conserve MP can counter the extra consumption (I assume, at least). My alt is up to around 950~ Cure IV's.
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-04-25 20:26:24
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Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Cure sets
ItemSet 345193

In the guide it says after 50% cure potency stack skill, but this set doesnt have 50% cure pot?

That set also doesn't use Raetic+1, which is huge for us. And ideal for us to use because conserve MP can counter the extra consumption (I assume, at least). My alt is up to around 950~ Cure IV's.

So you are using the raetic rod+1?

"Cure" MP consumed +30% wouldn't this destroy MP pool? or its hardly noticeable?

EDIT: holy ***, going with it!
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-04-25 20:49:06
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Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
And ideal for us to use because conserve MP can counter the extra consumption (I assume, at least).
This is some extremely questionable logic, considering how weak conserve MP actually is. The piece isn't necessarily bad, if you rarely cure the MP will probably not be noticable. If you do situations where your GEO is a primary source of healing, you will quickly regret using it.

As everything, toggle/situational.
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
And ideal for us to use because conserve MP can counter the extra consumption (I assume, at least).
This is some extremely questionable logic, considering how weak conserve MP actually is. The piece isn't necessarily bad, if you rarely cure the MP will probably not be noticable. If you do situations where your GEO is a primary source of healing, you will quickly regret using it.

As everything, toggle/situational.

You could probably just build it in, if MP>50% go Raetic else Gada or something, didnt ever think I would see a cure4 over 1,000(from geo) lol
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-25 21:06:37
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
And ideal for us to use because conserve MP can counter the extra consumption (I assume, at least).
This is some extremely questionable logic, considering how weak conserve MP actually is. The piece isn't necessarily bad, if you rarely cure the MP will probably not be noticable. If you do situations where your GEO is a primary source of healing, you will quickly regret using it.

As everything, toggle/situational.

Isn't conserve MP when stacked together rather decent, though? GEO has traits to impact how much it conserves and then the stat on the gear itself increases proc rate (or vice versa)?

I actually don't heal in a max +cure set, as I focus Conserve MP in slots that don't gain huge boosts. Example being my belt is austerity+1, hands are shriekers cuffs, boots I just cast in a conserve MP merlinic, etc. Dualbox MP issues are extremely rare, and I almost always can alt-tab over, refresh, radial, convert, etc. and keep on going.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-04-25 22:03:51
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Conserve MP as a trait isn't that great. Gear with +Conserve MP doesn't actually increase the amount you conserve on a proc, it only increases the proc rate.

It's not really worth it on spells that are relatively cheap mp wise already and that you can augment with stats/potency gear/skill.

Geo's use it primarily because some of their spells cost 300+mp, and even the lowest level proc 6.25% will save noticeable amounts of MP.

The average amount a CMP proc gives is ~28%. On Cure IV that's
24 MP which is good, but not game breaking. On Geo-Malaise for instance thats 97 MP.
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By Quizzy 2018-04-25 23:43:47
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I mean, the other reason GEO use cmp gear during midcast is that there isn't anything else that benefits the bubble.
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According to BGwiki: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Conserve_MP

GEO99 Conserve MP averages out to 43% MP conserved when it proc's. And gear +conserve MP increases the chance for it to proc. So I think it's pretty solid overall and works to counter Raetic.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-26 01:31:24
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Due to the reduction calculation (shown above) the average MP cost reduction granted by 100 Conserve MP (100% proc rate) is 28.125%.

It would still essentially zero out the Raetic loss with +60 CMP if you could make that set work. +60 is a lot of pieces.
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By Nyarlko 2018-04-26 01:40:38
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Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
According to BGwiki: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Conserve_MP

GEO99 Conserve MP averages out to 43% MP conserved when it proc's. And gear +conserve MP increases the chance for it to proc. So I think it's pretty solid overall and works to counter Raetic.

No, read again please. What BGwiki says is that 99GEO has a baseline 43% proc rate. The formula for the amount reduced is explained lower down which is a randomized value from a set range. Gear bonuses also only affect proc rate. Even when capped at CMP+100, the avg cost reduction is 28.125%.

Doesn't seem horrible to counteract Raetic at least.. Is there anyone who has one can chime in on whether or not CMP procs account for the cost increase or not? I still haven't been able to get a simple yes/no on how the staff+1 works with Occult Acumen even. T_T
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