Mog Bonanza

Langues: JP EN DE FR
users online
Forum » FFXI » General » Mog Bonanza
Mog Bonanza
First Page 2 3
Offline
By Draylo 2023-02-13 02:08:13
Link | Citer | R
 
Who win

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/nomadmogbon/

 Asura.Bluespoons
Offline
Serveur: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5701
By Asura.Bluespoons 2023-02-13 02:30:05
Link | Citer | R
 
Rank 3 on a mule on main account. I finally get my damn ufo statue!

Rank 2 on my alt, which is super rad because I was starting a mythic on him.

I've never gotten higher than rank 3, and I've only gotten rank 3 twice lol. The alt's mule had 108, though. I'm totally not pissed off about that at all.
Offline
Posts: 84
By Tokimemofan 2023-02-13 02:36:53
Link | Citer | R
 
Got 3 rank 3 wins and 1 rank 2 on my mules. What’s a good choice that I can pick on my rank 2 win that I can send to my main? I’m thinking Contemplator +1 or a relic 10k piece?
Offline
Posts: 165
By Manque 2023-02-13 02:40:19
Link | Citer | R
 
Can anyone post those precious marble digits please?
 Asura.Bluespoons
Offline
Serveur: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5701
By Asura.Bluespoons 2023-02-13 02:43:25
Link | Citer | R
 
Tokimemofan said: »
Got 3 rank 3 wins and 1 rank 2 on my mules. What’s a good choice that I can pick on my rank 2 win that I can send to my main? I’m thinking Contemplator +1 or a relic 10k piece?

There's the omen body kupon, you can mule bodies.

Kupon AW-Vgr, can get Tartarus Platemail and send it.

Kupon AW-GFIII, can get Zendik Robe and send if you just can't get the drop.



Manque said: »
Can anyone post those precious marble digits please?

Rank 3 - number ends in 9.
Rank 2 - number ends in 62.
Rank 1 - number matches 109.
[+]
Offline
By Draylo 2023-02-13 02:47:23
Link | Citer | R
 
Omen body for sure, T mail is sold all the time now for cheap. Then if you dont have any bodies you care about, maybe the reraise sphere body. I like the regain sphere for idle on some jobs too
[+]
 Bahamut.Pedion
Offline
Serveur: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1
By Bahamut.Pedion 2023-02-13 04:17:03
Link | Citer | R
 
Got rank 1, not sure what I should pick lol
[+]
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2023-02-13 04:22:35
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Citer | R
 
Post deleted by User.
[+]
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2023-02-13 04:23:23
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Citer | R
 
Post deleted by User.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 8843
By SimonSes 2023-02-13 05:58:18
Link | Citer | R
 
Bahamut.Pedion said: »
Got rank 1, not sure what I should pick lol

Katana if you play NIN
Onion Sword III or Shield otherwise
[+]
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2023-02-13 06:38:30
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Citer | R
 
Post deleted by User.
[+]
 Quetzalcoatl.Khajit
Offline
Serveur: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
user: Khajit
Posts: 413
By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2023-02-13 07:29:06
Link | Citer | R
 
Bahamut.Pedion said: »
Got rank 1, not sure what I should pick lol
What jobs do you prefer? If you like nin even a little, the katana is a godsend. Fast blade II opens up a massive amount of odyssey content for dnc in addition to the sword being all jobs anyway. The horn applies to lullaby too if i recall properly.

After that it's generally just personal preference for a job so long as it's not one of the obviously garbage ones.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 8843
By SimonSes 2023-02-13 08:10:47
Link | Citer | R
 
Quetzalcoatl.Khajit said: »
The horn applies to lullaby too if i recall properly.

"Sets the song effect duration for party members to 15 minuets"
Unless you cast it on party member being charmed it shouldn't.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 84
By Tokimemofan 2023-02-13 08:27:08
Link | Citer | R
 
Anyone know what Kupon W-MeII and Kupon W-MeIII are? BGWIKI shows nothing.


edit: apparently it’s a typo that SE can’t be bothered to fix. Those are the usual Delve kupons
[+]
 Carbuncle.Maletaru
Offline
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
user: maletaru
Posts: 1522
By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-02-13 08:50:09
Link | Citer | R
 
KujahFoxfire said: »
Horn is Garbo if you have honor march due to timers.

I think in some situations having 17 minutes of slightly less potent SV songs > 14 minutes of slightly more potent SV songs.

Also if you have Nitro melee songs on your mages/tank and nitro runs out, you can use Miracle Cheer to replace their songs with proper mage/tank songs.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 8843
By SimonSes 2023-02-13 08:54:12
Link | Citer | R
 
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
KujahFoxfire said: »
Horn is Garbo if you have honor march due to timers.

I think in some situations having 17 minutes of slightly less potent SV songs > 14 minutes of slightly more potent SV songs.

Also if you have Nitro melee songs on your mages/tank and nitro runs out, you can use Miracle Cheer to replace their songs with proper mage/tank songs.

Or you can save Troubadour completely for offensive purpose.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2023-02-13 10:06:24
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Citer | R
 
Post deleted by User.
 Carbuncle.Maletaru
Offline
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
user: maletaru
Posts: 1522
By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-02-13 10:30:35
Link | Citer | R
 
KujahFoxfire said: »
None of this applies to honor march though, maybe good for a niche quick re-sing but I would always prefer having everything on the same timer.

you'll end up with 10 min HM and 15 min everything else, good luck trying to juggle all those re-sing windows instead of keeping everything at full potency on the same 10 minute timers.

I mean I guess if you're willing to give up 5 minutes of Soul Voice to make it easier for you to keep track of your songs. But ease of user experience doesn't make an item better. You're actively choosing to have worse buffs to make your job easier.

I wouldn't consider "cast 1 song after 10 minutes" to be an overwhelming mental load, but you could set a timer if you want to be sure not to forget it I guess.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2023-02-13 10:38:52
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Citer | R
 
Post deleted by User.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2023-02-13 11:27:25
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Citer | R
 
Post deleted by User.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 2231
By Nariont 2023-02-13 11:35:14
Link | Citer | R
 
Onion swords the real breadwinner of the bunch just cause its an all jobs slashing weapon with a seemingly very strong WS associated with it. NIN Weapons just a really nice utility/enmity gain piece
Offline
Posts: 1
By 0riens 2023-02-13 12:25:46
Link | Citer | R
 
Congrats to all of the winners! Let us know what you end up picking :)
[+]
 Carbuncle.Maletaru
Offline
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
user: maletaru
Posts: 1522
By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-02-13 13:03:57
Link | Citer | R
 
KujahFoxfire said: »
Shorter buffs sure, but not worse as they will be full potency.

The lineup otherwise just feels very awkward, you sing at minute 0, recast HM in 10, rest 5 mins later, Hm 5 mins later again, then everything 10 mins later again and repeat. Very stop/starty when you can just fire everything up for 10-11 mins and be free for other responsibilities in the mean time.

OK here are your scenarios, starting with present (ignoring dummies):
SV 4 songs with Gjallarhorn, Hmarch with Marsyas
2.5 minutes later, Nitro 4 songs with Gjalla, Hmarch with Marsyas
13.5~ minutes of SV, then you go on to do regular songs with no SV.

With MC:
SV 4 songs with Gjallarhorn, Hmarch with Marsyas
2.5 minutes later, do 4 songs with MC, HMarch with nitro Marsyas
10 minutes later, do non-nitro HMarch
~4.5 minutes later, do regular songs with no SV
17~ minutes of SV (except Hmarch which is still ~13.5)

The only difference is that your SV is 3.5~4 minutes longer, has 1 less +song, and you have to cast 1 more Honor March. That's it.
[+]
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2023-02-13 13:17:42
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Citer | R
 
Post deleted by User.
 Shiva.Humpo
Offline
Serveur: Shiva
Game: FFXI
user: Humpo
Posts: 267
By Shiva.Humpo 2023-02-13 13:20:08
Link | Citer | R
 
SimonSes said: »
Bahamut.Pedion said: »
Got rank 1, not sure what I should pick lol

Katana if you play NIN
Onion Sword III or Shield otherwise

Agreed.
Don't pick the Greatsword. I won it 2 lottos ago and its not great.

There is also the mog shield for crafting. It lost it's shine with crafting shields but good for someone looking to get into crafting.
 Valefor.Prothescar
Guide Master
Offline
Serveur: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 19329
By Valefor.Prothescar 2023-02-13 13:22:13
Link | Citer | R
 
KujahFoxfire said: »
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
KujahFoxfire said: »
Shorter buffs sure, but not worse as they will be full potency.

The lineup otherwise just feels very awkward, you sing at minute 0, recast HM in 10, rest 5 mins later, Hm 5 mins later again, then everything 10 mins later again and repeat. Very stop/starty when you can just fire everything up for 10-11 mins and be free for other responsibilities in the mean time.

OK here are your scenarios, starting with present (ignoring dummies):
SV 4 songs with Gjallarhorn, Hmarch with Marsyas
2.5 minutes later, Nitro 4 songs with Gjalla, Hmarch with Marsyas
13.5~ minutes of SV, then you go on to do regular songs with no SV.

With MC:
SV 4 songs with Gjallarhorn, Hmarch with Marsyas
2.5 minutes later, do 4 songs with MC, HMarch with nitro Marsyas
10 minutes later, do non-nitro HMarch
~4.5 minutes later, do regular songs with no SV
17~ minutes of SV (except Hmarch which is still ~13.5)

The only difference is that your SV is 3.5~4 minutes longer, has 1 less +song, and you have to cast 1 more Honor March. That's it.

If you casually ignore the fact that to keep everything up you are singing twice as often then sure. Things like Ody Segs, Dyna D etc you should be DDing between songs, not stopping every 2-3 mins to sing again.

? you're not singing songs twice. only honor march has to be redone "more often" and thats still only at the same frequency you'd have to sing it w/o miracle cheer. 10 minutes after the initial application of HM is when you'd have to start looking at redoing the whole set of songs without MC.

There's also additional variables at play, such as the likelihood of receiving Wild Card after Soul Voice (in your examples of Sheol and Dyna, that's pretty likely) which would reset NiTro for the post-MC+SV songs removing the 5min gap between HM and the other 4 songs or, in the case of Sheol, potentially extending SV songs to the entire run.
[+]
 Bahamut.Negan
Offline
Serveur: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
user: Negan
Posts: 1864
By Bahamut.Negan 2023-02-13 13:50:35
Link | Citer | R
 
But what does any of this have to do with negating HP consumption during Souleater? Obv choice.
Offline
Posts: 8843
By SimonSes 2023-02-13 13:53:16
Link | Citer | R
 
You are just wrong on this one Kujah

First of all none is talking about Marcato which is strange.
Another thing is SV+Clarion+Troubadour Honormarch is 12min+

Two most important scenario would be

1. Gaol NM - You do 15min SV songs and you sing just once! and you save Troubadour for macc to put elegy on adds and NM. After 12min, you sing Marcato Honor March, so HM wont be SV anymore, but will be Marcato at least and you dont need to resign all songs in last 1-2min when it's the worst time for that.

2. Segments - You cast 15min songs and 12min Marcato HM, after 10min in best moment to not lose DPS you cast one marcato HM. At 15min you SV and cast 4x15min songs and 5min HM. After 3min you cast Troubadour 11+ min HM (with SV still up). This is the least singing possible and still gives 15min SV songs.

If someone dies after like 3 min after casting songs, you can put 15min songs instead of 5min that you will need to recast after 5 min and recast again after 2min again for everyone.

On top of that Miracle gives 3rd slot song, so you only need to cast 1 dummy song with Daurdabla after casting 4 songs with Miracle+Clarion, so its even less singing.
[+]
 Carbuncle.Maletaru
Offline
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
user: maletaru
Posts: 1522
By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-02-13 13:59:15
Link | Citer | R
 
What you say is true Simon, but I think I'd sacrifice a little bit of the BRD's time in segment farm runs by casting songs 3x instead of twice. I would do Gjalla songs for 5m, Nitro them for 10, then SV MC songs for the last 15 minutes. This gives you 15 minutes of Gjalla songs which are better than MC songs.

Either way though, it undeniably gives you new options you didn't have before, and it's absolutely worth picking up for BRDs who want to play optimally and who think carefully about when and how they apply their songs.
 Asura.Vyre
Forum Moderator
Offline
Serveur: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Vyrerus
Posts: 15217
By Asura.Vyre 2023-02-13 14:47:56
Link | Citer | R
 
Rank 4 baby. Sweet, minty Bonanza Biscuits...
[+]
First Page 2 3
Log in to post.