Charging For Synths.

That's a very rash thing to say.
First off not everyone has the gil to level crafts, it's not an issue of laziness.

Second, many people buy the materials for the synthesis because it can be a lot cheaper then actually buying the item.

Lastly your a chef, 10% on synthesis and HQ? what can you HQ that people can't 'afford' to pay you that you tell them to buy the NQ and keep the HQ? The materials they provide to you are not yours, the only thing you do is the synthesis part and as important as that is you have no right to confiscate someones item since they have already essentially paid for it.

Damn cooks are your cheap restaurants and your overpriced foods

Can anyone else make any sense out of this because i have no idea what the *** this guy is saying lol...

...Wtf are you talking about confiscating someones item? Or did you mean someone should craft Dalmatica-1 then refuse to pay you 1.9 million which is 10%?

Sorry but if you refuse to pay the 10% on a T0 item, yes i'm going to sell your item and buy you the NQ. It's what you wanted and agreed to anyways right? RIGHT?

That's why i specifically said make sure you know the terms before trading/dealing with someone as your crafter before they hit the OK button to synth.

lol wtf is this nonsense.

I think the fact that people always expect that i have crystals on me, have materials on me, or know exactly what goes into their synth is more annoying than the money thing... but anyway.

I expect YOU to have your own materials and absorb any and all losses regarding a synth i didn't spend over 20M gil on crafting just so i could pay because you got unlucky.

I expect that if you want more than 5-6 synths you should be offering money for my time (especially the people who want like 40 in a row... common) it is more fun to sit in whitegate than to craft your X-item in bulk when it serves me no purpose.

I expect that if I HQ i will be compensated, usually in terms of I sell it, remove cost of materials & AH fees, take half of whats left + AH fees, then mail your share. If you don't like that policy then you can talk about instant-tip to take your HQ and do whatever you want with it.

I'm not going to sign your X-item if I don't know you. Keeping HQ crystals is still a pain even with the satchel. If you want it signed ask nicely, and we'll see.

I expect that you will come to me to have your stuff crafting, if you want it done right now and I'm not in town but i have a moment, come to me I'm not returning just for you.

I don't keep a list of the people who want HQ this or that. If I'm making it for profit I'll put it on the AH if you want it you can buy it.

I don't sign random things, only things I plan to use or by special request so you won't see me trying to pawn off your obscure item with a Sig on it, get the mats and ask nicely.

//endrant i didn't start

short of it... be nice to crafter's we've spent a LOT of time (most take 1-2 years to raise crafts and subcrafts) and a LOT of money (also depending on when you've started at least 20M in skills + crafting items). If your not willing to respect that don't expect us to respect you.

Can anyone else make any sense out of this because i have no idea what the *** this guy is saying lol...

...Wtf are you talking about confiscating someones item? Or did you mean someone should craft Dalmatica-1 then refuse to pay you 1.9 million which is 10%?

Sorry but if you refuse to pay the 10% on a T0 item, yes i'm going to sell your item and buy you the NQ. It's what you wanted and agreed to anyways right? RIGHT?

That's why i specifically said make sure you know the terms before trading/dealing with someone as your crafter before they hit the OK button to synth.

lol wtf is this nonsense.[/quote]

right so following in on this... i had 90+ woodworking before i was level 51, if you don't have the gil that's because you havn't dedicated yourself too it. If you want a Dalmy ok sure if i can craft it i will, but if i can't be compensated for my hard work your not going to get lucky from it. I'm not going to GIVE away something i worked YEARS to be able to do. In the equivalent that would be 1 LS that always claimed faf-hog and gave it away on purpose for no reason. NO-SENSE. Crafters work very hard so you can have a Dalmy at all if you want the -1 you should expect to have to man up and pay for it.

Careful though, apparently this logic makes us *** lmao.

I don't really understand the severity of your mental disorder Clinpachi but I'll try harder to make you understand everything. k?

"First off not everyone has the gil to level crafts, it's not an issue of laziness. "
I unno, it can't really be said any simpler then that. You implied that people who cannot craft their own stuff are too lazy to get the craft leveled for themselves.

FACT "Charging someone 10% to make something because they are too lazy to level a craft and make it themselves?"

"Second, many people buy the materials for the synthesis because it can be a lot cheaper then actually buying the item."

I don't know what's so hard to understand about that one...

"Lastly your a chef, 10% on synthesis and HQ? what can you HQ that people can't 'afford' to pay you that you tell them to buy the NQ and keep the HQ? The materials they provide to you are not yours, the only thing you do is the synthesis part and as important as that is you have no right to confiscate someones item since they have already paid for."

That one is just me saying your a lousy chef. Who comes to you for synthesis and why would you charge 10%? Your preaching something you've never done so stop giving advice you've never used.

I'm not disrespecting crafters and the amount of time and money WE put into crafting and leveling crafts, I completely understand that. But I see no reason to charge someone if they provide the items and are willing to gamble on breaks.

The only time I would charge someone is if they have intent to sell the items crafted for profit, that's the only way I could see myself charging out.

Lmao, k.

Your disrespecting crafters because you expect free hand outs and sympathy for not understand simple world economics and logic.

Please gtfo.

^ This

I'm a crafter as well, I think I implied that with the capped WE... anyways. SO wtf would I disrespect myself. Why don't you reread what I said and rephrase.

This is a GAME, not the real world. World economics don't function the way they do in a game like they do in the real world. Your point, invalid.

You don't even have a craft above 60 yet, you can barely turn in guild point items. And i hate to tell you this but for someone who claims to be a crafter....

Every single aspect of REAL WORLD economics applies to FFXI crafting and you should KNOW that.

A) Supply and Demand
B) Marketing Tactics
C) Resources
D) Time sensitivity
E) Undercutting/Upping Prices
F) Market Trends
G) New Synths

My point is very valid.

The entire QQ session you are having here today, is that people who gather materials shouldn't have to tip, pay, or even thank someone who just HQ'd something for you using a craft they leveled and worked hard for. Since your only level 60 you wouldn't know what hard work is, and if you think you do wait until you hit the 80+ range.

Basically with your logic you think people who farmed/bought materials should have things crafted for free because they "can't afford to level a craft". And yes i make very nice tips or %'s off sushi, meats, or even mage foods. I get 6,000g for a stack of sole sushi+1 and this happens quite often.... you would be sickened by how much other things i can do/afford thanks to 10%.

I leveled a craft to 100 and took almost every single other craft to 40. I also have a few mules i'm in the progress of taking to 100's. I deserve to be compensated for my time and your benefit of not having to buy straight off the AH.

Enough said i'm done with your pathetic argument.

The hell k.. few things I have bonecraft 92+2 on my mule so shut up and stop assuming I don't know what hard work is, besides you leveled cooking you spent like.. nothing compared to what most people spend.

Next, I'm not saying they shouldn't have to pay tip, I'm not saying that they shouldn't have to say say thank you. Your putting words into my mouth that I never said. And if your getting people that don't say thank you when your done crafting that's your own problem.

"Basically with your logic you think people who farmed/bought materials should have things crafted for free because they "can't afford to level a craft""
No sorry, that was one example for me showing you how much of a *** you are for calling everyone who wants something crafted too lazy to level the craft to have it made.

In the real world you don't whip out a crystal, spend 10 seconds and magically an item appears. That's where real life economics ends.

I don't believe you because everything else about you is so much fail.


Cooking sells faster and is in more demand then any other craft in the game. Everyone in every party except colibri eats food. That's why i leveled it on my main and goldsmithing on my mule.



Sorry if the truth hurts your feelings. If you don't want to buy it, but you want to have it made, but you don't want to pay 10% for a HQ, your *** lazy.

I don't care if you think wanting 10% for a T0 synthesis such as Dusk+1 Abjuration-1 gear is being a ***. I guess you must think every endgame on your server is full of *** too because they sell items for high prices.

Fail on so many levels, i can't believe i even wasted my time on you.

And apparently i just got this private message:

Garuda.Glaciont
Subject: gah!
"Sorry, the real me just got home. I let my brother on and he plays FFXI but doesn't know a ton about the crafting world. Sorry for the trouble he caused yea."

if ur eating no food in a colibri pt ur doing it wrong unless ur tank

Eh, to each their own. It's your character, your advancement and your choice on how you want to go about sharing it with others. However, similar to an overbid incident in my favor, I would generally craft for free as long as the person accepts the risk, has all the materials, and isn't acting like a douchebag. However, excessive visits for repeated reqests and HQing a nice piece of gear certainly warrants a tip at least, but alas is not required. At least not in my view.

Um, sorry everyone. I, real glac just got home >< and it seems my brother has been stirring up trouble on this thread. He plays FFXI.. >< but he doesn't know much about how crafting works so i'm not surprised if he started stirring up a ***storm here ><;;;. I left my account on ffxiah.com for autologin so he musta picked off this thread off the front page ^^;;;

My view.

I pull so much hate by accident and i can't count how many times i would eat meat then weaponskill to be ganked on my food lol.

Me too lol, i burn through kabobs like, well a fat kid eating cake

This is at least a genuine outlook, for things i dont HQ i don't personally charge on everything. But if someone wanted me to make a Dalmatica, or ANYTHING high ticket.... better believe i'm going to bank on an HQ. You would be selling yourself short if you didn't considering it's worth 20 million gil.

That's what got me so pissed off about that guy before, by that logic he wanted you to HQ a dalamatica-1 and not be compensated for it, and if i bought them an NQ dalamatica and kept the -1 i would be considered an *** when i set the terms before the actual craft took place.

...how the... how did that get in the quote box?!!

how the F, and i eat meat depending on the job/2hand waepon or not

Aye, as I think I posed earlier. I wouldn't charge someone to make what in comparison of skill would be like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. However if I were making something like a dishwasher that can also bake you cookies, then you better believe I'd be expecting gratuity otherwise I'd just pay the guy for his mats and keep the HQ >.>

lol, i use DRG for merit pts... i have enough attack V.V;;

._., u mean u have enough acc lol, can never have to much atk :O,

Technically, almost no craft calls for any gil spending; it just makes it a hell of a lot easier.

Don't have the gil? Fine, go make your own pickaxes and mine to get 100+6 goldsmithing. Go get your crystals from EXPing. No?

Yes, that's called laziness.