as it says in the name, i want to know about mnk in legion, i did a bit of forum searching and there isnt much besides thier bad because thier a one handed job and have lower crit rate or something.
so i wanted to know what are some common changes of gear mnks would do for fighting in legion, and also if i was to be comparing mobs from legion to use in the mnk exel spreadsheet what would be a good mob to use as a reference?
i imagine one of the main issues (i use emp h2h) is the lowered crit rate really hurts VS, would it be to the point that you should be using a different ws? like WAR's use upheaval i hear
Legion And MNK
Legion and MNK
Common change is a job change.
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Mnk really isn't that good of a legion job. The way attack/def works, 1 handed DDs suffer more from fighting higher lvl mobs than 2handed DDs. Add on that in mul crits are dismal, which makes impetus rather subpar and seriously hurts victory smite, and its not really even worth using mnk.
for a target on the spread sheet you could use ig-alima.
If you took mnk to mul you would probably end doing best dmg with spharai and shijin. That damage would suck though, and even with ideal gear you would probably be adding less than an average war or drk or sam.
for a target on the spread sheet you could use ig-alima.
If you took mnk to mul you would probably end doing best dmg with spharai and shijin. That damage would suck though, and even with ideal gear you would probably be adding less than an average war or drk or sam.
High level correction and enemy crit evasion traits will absolutely murder MNK output. Changing to a well-geared two-hand job is really the way to go.
Poor cRatio due to being 1h, and no way to partially bypass that issue like the passable 1h DDs normally do due to critical hit evasion. MNK also loses a serious amount of its output by getting Impetus pretty much completely nullified.
DRK or WAR go
DRK or WAR go
It's not that bad.
On wave1 mul, his smite was doing an average of 2k, where resolution was doing 2.2-2.4k. In wave2, his smite went down to 1.6k average. In wave2, smite went down to 950 average. Resolution stayed about the same in all three waves. He was able to somewhat keep up due to his dot. I did see him engage early on a number of mobs, so he was probably trying to do well.
Still, it's no WAR or DRK.
edit: Oh yeah. Everyone was using either a 99emp or a 99relic. The MNK was using a 90 vere. Also, the Naraka is weak to blunt, supposedly.
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TOTAL PERCENT MELEE WSDAMAGE
WAR 99877 9.77 % 41763 0 0 58078 0 36 0
MNK 155939 15.25 % 79386 0 53 76449 0 51 0
DRK 76316 7.46 % 31718 0 0 44567 0 31 0
SAM 142444 13.93 % 33142 0 0 109287 0 15 0
DRK 133984 13.10 % 58005 0 27 75889 0 63 0
WAR 169386 16.56 % 68730 0 21 100536 0 99 0
DRK 184236 18.02 % 65776 0 0 118443 0 17 0
Total 1022674 100.00 % 392172 1007 7602 619410 1784 347 0On wave1 mul, his smite was doing an average of 2k, where resolution was doing 2.2-2.4k. In wave2, his smite went down to 1.6k average. In wave2, smite went down to 950 average. Resolution stayed about the same in all three waves. He was able to somewhat keep up due to his dot. I did see him engage early on a number of mobs, so he was probably trying to do well.
Still, it's no WAR or DRK.
edit: Oh yeah. Everyone was using either a 99emp or a 99relic. The MNK was using a 90 vere. Also, the Naraka is weak to blunt, supposedly.
Way to post the one where I died like 3 times. Jerk.
Actually, a LOT of people died on that one. Not the best one to post!
I covered your name! They won't know which SAM you a..r.....I...err...
Hmm.
And yeah, I know, but it was the only one I had, as of this date.
Hmm.
And yeah, I know, but it was the only one I had, as of this date.
Lol, why is a WAR doing 10%. No clue who that could've been. I know who the 7% DRK is, though. ( '-')
People be slacking when they get comfortable in a setting.
Man llew, that servers being a bad influence. 4th in a parse? You should come back home. I miss having sam-in-party sam rolls. I mean you. I miss you.
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Behind a MNK, no less.
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I do good when I don't die! Actually, the entire party didn't die until the last mob in this one. Except the 7% DRK. He's just bad. :3 MNK wasn't in this one, though.
We have MNKs that do well in Legion, obviously its not ideal but to comment on VS, it should be used if you're using Vere, the ensuing AM is better than not.
With Embrava/March there's a lot hits.
With Embrava/March there's a lot hits.
If you are intelligent, you will beat all of the idiots with better weapons who should be beating you.
Bottom line -- all other things being equal, you will perform significantly better with a proper 2H weapon than monk.
To be quite honest, Legion is fun and all, but it only took a month or two of consistently clearing Mul to get the majority of an 18-man alliance everything they wanted -- so keep that in mind as well.
Bottom line -- all other things being equal, you will perform significantly better with a proper 2H weapon than monk.
To be quite honest, Legion is fun and all, but it only took a month or two of consistently clearing Mul to get the majority of an 18-man alliance everything they wanted -- so keep that in mind as well.
Contrary to the *** spread here and BG, the only point towards monk is evasion.
1) When killing critical evasive mobs switch to shijin. Shijin and spharai 99 are on par with vere 99 on normal circumstances so if critrate falls shinjin will easily surclass it (spharai).
2) Higher cratio means nothing. War and drk have minimal advantages over monk as far as attack goes, and cor and/or brd are here to justify their spot anyway. When a MNK doesn't cap it's ratio, all other DD likely don't cap it either except when using random JA. Lower cratio actually has a more detrimental effect on 2handed DD because a critical hit is worth less a higher ratio.
3) The only argument that can be used against MNK is accuracy. With normal gear they are ~60 acc behind WAR for instance, so depending on mob and buff it can be bad or have no effect. I don't see anyone doing legion without acc buff though because relying on agressor is too random, so with 2x madrigal and basic acc gear you are ok.
1) When killing critical evasive mobs switch to shijin. Shijin and spharai 99 are on par with vere 99 on normal circumstances so if critrate falls shinjin will easily surclass it (spharai).
2) Higher cratio means nothing. War and drk have minimal advantages over monk as far as attack goes, and cor and/or brd are here to justify their spot anyway. When a MNK doesn't cap it's ratio, all other DD likely don't cap it either except when using random JA. Lower cratio actually has a more detrimental effect on 2handed DD because a critical hit is worth less a higher ratio.
3) The only argument that can be used against MNK is accuracy. With normal gear they are ~60 acc behind WAR for instance, so depending on mob and buff it can be bad or have no effect. I don't see anyone doing legion without acc buff though because relying on agressor is too random, so with 2x madrigal and basic acc gear you are ok.
oh no
pchan said: »
Contrary to the *** spread here and BG, the only point towards monk is evasion.
1) When killing critical evasive mobs switch to shijin. Shijin and spharai 99 are on par with vere 99 on normal circumstances so if critrate falls shinjin will easily surclass it (spharai).
2) Higher cratio means nothing. War and drk have minimal advantages over monk as far as attack goes, and cor and/or brd are here to justify their spot anyway. When a MNK doesn't cap it's ratio, all other DD likely don't cap it either except when using random JA. Lower cratio actually has a more detrimental effect on 2handed DD because a critical hit is worth less a higher ratio.
3) The only argument that can be used against MNK is accuracy. With normal gear they are ~60 acc behind WAR for instance, so depending on mob and buff it can be bad or have no effect. I don't see anyone doing legion without acc buff though because relying on agressor is too random, so with 2x madrigal and basic acc gear you are ok.
1) When killing critical evasive mobs switch to shijin. Shijin and spharai 99 are on par with vere 99 on normal circumstances so if critrate falls shinjin will easily surclass it (spharai).
2) Higher cratio means nothing. War and drk have minimal advantages over monk as far as attack goes, and cor and/or brd are here to justify their spot anyway. When a MNK doesn't cap it's ratio, all other DD likely don't cap it either except when using random JA. Lower cratio actually has a more detrimental effect on 2handed DD because a critical hit is worth less a higher ratio.
3) The only argument that can be used against MNK is accuracy. With normal gear they are ~60 acc behind WAR for instance, so depending on mob and buff it can be bad or have no effect. I don't see anyone doing legion without acc buff though because relying on agressor is too random, so with 2x madrigal and basic acc gear you are ok.
x2 madrigal in legion?? Wtf is this ***? mnk cant keep up with drk or war as well as a few other jobs in legion. Shijin or VS, the dmg it yields isnt sufficient. Pretty sure over half the ppl that read xi forums know already not to believe your word, just stop lol.
I've done Mul with x2 madrigal. Mind you we had two 99 Daurdabla BRDs and were getting 8 songs.
Sounds like a waste of a slot, unless you don't have a cor.
reading pchan's post gave me aids. it's almost as if he doesn't know how multipliers work
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Mul mobs were evasive, and we had to use accuracy food too. Though we were TPing in full PDT gear. I remember normal hits hitting for like 1.3k if not in PDT.
o, and we did get cor rolls too
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Mul mobs were evasive, and we had to use accuracy food too. Though we were TPing in full PDT gear. I remember normal hits hitting for like 1.3k if not in PDT.
wut...Theres something wrong with your group if you acc is so low that after getting x2 madrigal (lol) you still need acc food.
well you can do the math. iirc the harpy mob is evasive to begin with. then figure in not wearing acc gear cuz wearing pdt. so madrigal x2 gives about the same accuracy as you would have wearing normal gear, maybe a little bit more. now if you figure even in normal gear you aren't capping acc, add in food to make sure. that's why we went with pizzas.
Normally should be capping accuracy on everything but harpies with a hybrid PDT set, one mad, and hunter's.
Have your SMN use Shiva and your THF use Feint on the harpies. You'll have no trouble with accuracy.
(also wouldn't really be bringing MNK to Legion in the first place, but whatever)
Have your SMN use Shiva and your THF use Feint on the harpies. You'll have no trouble with accuracy.
(also wouldn't really be bringing MNK to Legion in the first place, but whatever)
Odin.Registry said: »
Normally should be capping accuracy on everything but harpies with a hybrid PDT set, one mad, and hunter's.
Have your SMN use Shiva and your THF use Feint on the harpies. You'll have no trouble with accuracy.
(also wouldn't really be bringing MNK to Legion in the first place, but whatever)
Have your SMN use Shiva and your THF use Feint on the harpies. You'll have no trouble with accuracy.
(also wouldn't really be bringing MNK to Legion in the first place, but whatever)
This, shouldnt need to waste food on accuracy as well.
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