has anyone tried this out yet?
what if 5war with mog axe, 1brd 1whm 1blm went in, steel cycloned all the adds. seeing how war is still overpowered.
Garuda-War Burn
Garuda-War Burn
there already nerfing war in the next update
They aren't nerfing it enough to make anyone take lolPLD though so I'm not too worried, just don't make it worse.
Filtiarne said: »
They aren't nerfing it enough to make anyone take lolPLD though so I'm not too worried, just don't make it worse.
you really don't know that yet lol they could nerf it enough that people don't want to use it anymore.
They're also buffing pld, but none of this is worth debating over until we know what the adjustments actually are.
It's also entirely off topic.
It's also entirely off topic.
pld aint lol anymore its good it just doesnt put the same damage out as war as it shouldnt anyway its a pld any1 from 11 knows this....
as for nerfing the main things there doing is nerfing steel cyclone todo less damage and givn pld a lil more hp and a lil more damage
as for nerfing the main things there doing is nerfing steel cyclone todo less damage and givn pld a lil more hp and a lil more damage
Anyone from 11 knows that PLD was completley and utterly worthless even at 75 cap. All HNM could be tanked on DRK or SAM, and even RDM was a better tank than PLD for lots of things.
That fact remains in XIV until we see the new changes.
That fact remains in XIV until we see the new changes.
Acegage said: »
pld aint lol anymore its good it just doesnt put the same damage out as war as it shouldnt anyway its a pld any1 from 11 knows this....
as for nerfing the main things there doing is nerfing steel cyclone todo less damage and givn pld a lil more hp and a lil more damage
as for nerfing the main things there doing is nerfing steel cyclone todo less damage and givn pld a lil more hp and a lil more damage
Right, but you don't know exactly what the nerfs/buffs are doing to hp/abilities. So again, this argument is pointless.
Come back and fight about what job is lol after they do adjustments.
well i dunno who was tankn for yous on pld then lol but pld was the ***in 11 yous just musta had ***plds lol
Yea kay, because PLD was needed for anything in XI.
PLD had the EXACT same PDT gear as DRK it took little no difference in damage whatsoever, and if were talking about Apoc DRKs constantly curing themselves with Cata while ripping the HNM apart then there is no comparison.
Even Aegis was a joke you could cap MDT without it with very little effort, and barely had a higher block rate than a Koenig Shield.
I mained PLD for years and then realized it was completley and utterly pointless for me to be tanking on it once I started tanking on DRK. Hell we even had SAM/WARs straight tanking ixion like it was cool.
Tanking on XI at the 75 Era came down to counting shadows unless you were completley HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and couldnt count to three then you did not need a Paladin for anything.
XIV Paladin has the same exact issue that XI PLD has had for years, other jobs tank just fine while doing damage. But XIs PLD has never taken less damage than other jobs, and if were talking building hate then NIN/DRK and RDM/NIN completley and utterly shat all over Paladin not to mention RDM/NIN was the master when it came to keeping shadows up as well as building hate.
Short summary: If you were a bad player, towards the end of 75 Cap you were still tanking on PLD. If you knew how to play the game properly you tanked on something else.
PLD had the EXACT same PDT gear as DRK it took little no difference in damage whatsoever, and if were talking about Apoc DRKs constantly curing themselves with Cata while ripping the HNM apart then there is no comparison.
Even Aegis was a joke you could cap MDT without it with very little effort, and barely had a higher block rate than a Koenig Shield.
I mained PLD for years and then realized it was completley and utterly pointless for me to be tanking on it once I started tanking on DRK. Hell we even had SAM/WARs straight tanking ixion like it was cool.
Tanking on XI at the 75 Era came down to counting shadows unless you were completley HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and couldnt count to three then you did not need a Paladin for anything.
XIV Paladin has the same exact issue that XI PLD has had for years, other jobs tank just fine while doing damage. But XIs PLD has never taken less damage than other jobs, and if were talking building hate then NIN/DRK and RDM/NIN completley and utterly shat all over Paladin not to mention RDM/NIN was the master when it came to keeping shadows up as well as building hate.
Short summary: If you were a bad player, towards the end of 75 Cap you were still tanking on PLD. If you knew how to play the game properly you tanked on something else.
well i dunno about after the 75 cap era i quit after abyssea came out way to many ^^NOOBS^^ running around with capped jobs but in 1-75 era nuthin was better to tank HNM or ZNM then pld/nin with atonement hands down with people that knew how to tank like a baus, only things in that era we used differently was rdm/nin for teh gears in nyzle isle or drk for zergn kirin, this sounds like the same conversation people saying that nin/war was ***only people that said nin/war was ***is people that didnt know how to tank on it
GraddHelian said: »
Anyone from 11 knows that PLD was completley and utterly worthless even at 75 cap. All HNM could be tanked on DRK or SAM, and even RDM was a better tank than PLD for lots of things.
That fact remains in XIV until we see the new changes.
That fact remains in XIV until we see the new changes.
Acegage said: »
well i dunno about after the 75 cap era i quit after abyssea came out way to many ^^NOOBS^^ running around with capped jobs but in 1-75 era nuthin was better to tank HNM or ZNM then pld/nin with atonement hands down with people that knew how to tank like a baus, only things in that era we used differently was rdm/nin for teh gears in nyzle isle or drk for zergn kirin, this sounds like the same conversation people saying that nin/war was ***only people that said nin/war was ***is people that didnt know how to tank on it
Who said anything about after 75? I'm talking before Abyssea came out. Nor did I once mention NIN/WAR for tanking. Reading comprehension must be pretty hard for you.
Ixion/Tiamat/Sandworm/Serket (sandworm version)/Sky Gods/Ultima, JoL, neither required a Paladin in any way shape or form, other jobs both held hate better while doing damage.
Paladin was comparable to that of Puppetmaster and Beastmaster once people realized how the game mechanics actually worked, and that it wasnt taking any less damage than any other jobs.
Odin.Hixc said: »
has anyone tried this out yet?
what if 5war with mog axe, 1brd 1whm 1blm went in, steel cycloned all the adds. seeing how war is still overpowered.
what if 5war with mog axe, 1brd 1whm 1blm went in, steel cycloned all the adds. seeing how war is still overpowered.
OP:
>WAR
>Garuda
>FFXIV
Everyone else:
>PLD
>FFXI
Man, I thought I was bad with the thread derails
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@OP: No it won't work. You won't be able to kill it before Aerial Blast if that's what you mean by "burn" and after Aerial Blast you will not be able to kill Chirada due to lack of magic damage.
@Acegage: What GraddHelian is saying. SE doesn't know how to make a PLD useful. My LS in FFXI would usually just run NIN/DRK because our PLD liked it better (because it was.)
@Acegage: What GraddHelian is saying. SE doesn't know how to make a PLD useful. My LS in FFXI would usually just run NIN/DRK because our PLD liked it better (because it was.)
Jerihiri said: »
@OP: No it won't work. You won't be able to kill it before Aerial Blast if that's what you mean by "burn" and after Aerial Blast you will not be able to kill Chirada due to lack of magic damage.
@Acegage: What GraddHelian is saying. SE doesn't know how to make a PLD useful. My LS in FFXI would usually just run NIN/DRK because our PLD liked it better (because it was.)
@Acegage: What GraddHelian is saying. SE doesn't know how to make a PLD useful. My LS in FFXI would usually just run NIN/DRK because our PLD liked it better (because it was.)
What makes PLD so bad in XIV? An honest question seeing as I was considering leveling it at a later date.
It seems nearly every job is useless in this game. The only DD used seems to be WAR (on any end game that I've read up on).
Are MNK, DRG and PLD really that bad?
It seems nearly every job is useless in this game. The only DD used seems to be WAR (on any end game that I've read up on).
Are MNK, DRG and PLD really that bad?
MNK is the best melee job for single target fights.
WAR offers amazing AoE damage and is by far the best tank due to its high damage and HP. The problem at the moment is that WAR is just that much better than PLD, they take the same amount of damage, but WAR deals much, much more. Also WAR has well over a thousand more HP than PLD.
To add even more to that, SE seems to love giving us rewards for doing things quickly(speed runs), so why would you take a PLD when you could take another tank who could do much more damage but tank just as effectively?
This may all change with the 1.22B update though, we'll just have to wait and see.
WAR offers amazing AoE damage and is by far the best tank due to its high damage and HP. The problem at the moment is that WAR is just that much better than PLD, they take the same amount of damage, but WAR deals much, much more. Also WAR has well over a thousand more HP than PLD.
To add even more to that, SE seems to love giving us rewards for doing things quickly(speed runs), so why would you take a PLD when you could take another tank who could do much more damage but tank just as effectively?
This may all change with the 1.22B update though, we'll just have to wait and see.
Have people tested PLD ws damage by raising it's modifiers? (str and mnd are main modifiers, I know people add like vit and dex lulz)
Fievel Mousekewitz said: »
MNK is the best melee job for single target fights.
WAR offers amazing AoE damage and is by far the best tank due to its high damage and HP. The problem at the moment is that WAR is just that much better than PLD, they take the same amount of damage, but WAR deals much, much more. Also WAR has well over a thousand more HP than PLD.
To add even more to that, SE seems to love giving us rewards for doing things quickly(speed runs), so why would you take a PLD when you could take another tank who could do much more damage but tank just as effectively?
This may all change with the 1.22B update though, we'll just have to wait and see.
WAR offers amazing AoE damage and is by far the best tank due to its high damage and HP. The problem at the moment is that WAR is just that much better than PLD, they take the same amount of damage, but WAR deals much, much more. Also WAR has well over a thousand more HP than PLD.
To add even more to that, SE seems to love giving us rewards for doing things quickly(speed runs), so why would you take a PLD when you could take another tank who could do much more damage but tank just as effectively?
This may all change with the 1.22B update though, we'll just have to wait and see.
Ah I see :/
From what I played of Gladiator, it seemed incredibly fun to tank. (in comparison to the beta and the horrid non auto attack days)
It's a shame that it's going the same way as the PLD did in XI, I seriously hope they make proper tanks more viable. I mean I'm cool with WAR being an incredibly powerful DD... But if it's completing all the roles flawlessly, then surely something should be done.
There's very few monks around, I assumed it was a loljob because of that lol.
Personally I think the main reason we don't see more monks is because they're great for single target fights, but most fights in this game have several adds you have to deal with aswell. So other jobs with better AoE are preferred.
Jerihiri said: »
@OP: No it won't work. You won't be able to kill it before Aerial Blast if that's what you mean by "burn" and after Aerial Blast you will not be able to kill Chirada due to lack of magic damage.
definately works, battle voice + sanguine rite + stoneskin ftw
not to mention sentinel too
Nevermind~
isnt brd better dd than mnk?
For damage? no
Latifah said: »
The only powerful pld i seen is the diablo2 pld, now THATS a pld
hammerdin wooohoo
Well SE needs to think outside of the box and make PLD uber powerful XD in 11 the best PLDs were campaing NPCs lol i do like the strategy approach SE is having with the fights they just need to make sure you can't walk over it and straight zerg >.> maybe if they do Garuda fight "bullet hell" style or the next prime that would be awesome XD
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