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Israel Could Strike Iran in Spring
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Caitsith.Sai said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I doubt China will ever go to war with the U.S. unless there is just something out there so ridiculous that each side can't ignore it. Sure China backs Iran verbally but I really doubt they'd really be willing to risk all the money they make in trade with the U.S. Besides that, many of our gadgets are manufactured in China... What will happen to all the apple!!!! Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I think many of you fail to look at the big picture. I'm really surprised to see all the isolationists on the boards here. try as much as you'd like but you can't close your eyes hard enough so that when you open them world conflict will be gone. Our global presence is there for a reason. Also, it's not just us out there mucking about globally. Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Caitsith.Sai said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » not to mention if airport security was doing their jobs at the time it would have been prevented... This will never happen. TSA employs too many people for there not to be a portion who are lazy and or just dont care. Will always be holes. I'm talking about the people before the TSA, the TSA was never needed to be formed as far as I'm concerned. edit: that's why there's such a thing as supervision, the persons who allowed it to happen should have been on trial, and the airports been sued for damages since it was their lack of attention that allowed it to happen. yes I do realize the amount of damage done, Thats unrealistic IMO. Human nature says that no one is going to be 100% alert 100% of the time. Also, who do you think would be willing to be in a supervisors position at any airport if it were possible to file charges against them if they fail? If Iran wanted to hurt the US all they'd have to do is interrupt the flow of oil to the West which is what I fear would happen if Israel pre-emptively attacked the nuclear sites. Such an attack would be far more potent than any direct terrorist attack in the US and have global repercussions.
Call me anti-Israel but this squabble over sacred ground has done nothing but feed the ground blood for the last half century. Had they simply created the Jewish state somewhere in Canada we'd all be better off... or would we? The Christian doomsayers must eat up all this turmoil in the Middle East as it fulfills prophecy. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Caitsith.Sai said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I doubt China will ever go to war with the U.S. unless there is just something out there so ridiculous that each side can't ignore it. Sure China backs Iran verbally but I really doubt they'd really be willing to risk all the money they make in trade with the U.S. Besides that, many of our gadgets are manufactured in China... What will happen to all the apple!!!! I meant a few months back when he was starting ***, either that or his health dipped. Lakshmi.Rearden said: » Cerberus.Sevvy said: » You know what I will give my thoughts a bit on this... My whole problems with this situation is the fact that Israel is so aggressive in their campaign against everyone. Granted, Iran cannot build nuclear weapons, it would result in catostrophic results that will effect every corner of the world BUT Israel has been the agreesor in this from the beginning. • Ahmadinejad is a complete psycho and should have never said he would "wipe Israel off the map." This caused heavy frantic amongst the Israelis, and caused them to get on the defensive, which is expected. • Israel has their own nuclear weapons pointed at Iran for quite some time, somehow instigating this entire process with Iran. • Israel, while only being a Jewish Nation since 1947, has prematurely jumped to the conculsion that everyone is out to get them. While this might be true to some nations, I have never heard of a country (besides the US) that will jump the gun and attack another country because they might be building weapons. I understand this post makes me sound very Anti-Israel and Pro-Iran, but this is far from the case. You are going into a scenario in which people's faith is getting pushed into the equation. Sadly people are going to die because of the simple rivalries going through the countries and it seems to me that Israel is going to be the one who pushes the envelope to war long before Iran does. -Ahmadinejad exists because we overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran and installed a puppet in his place --Iran also suffered hugely by our installation of Saddam Hussein in Iraq whose only purpose was to fight the Iranians after they overthrew the Shah. This resulted in millions of dead. This. Just one thing to add about Iran. Many, many Iranians were upset about the election of Ahmadinejad and started mass protests. Who does the economic sanctions primarily affect? The people of Iran, even ones who are against their current leadership. We're pushing and making ourselves the greater enemy than their own government, forcing them to choose the "lesser of two evils"(easily conceivable since we do this every election year). Who to hate more: A nationalist corrupt government or two trigger happy countries intent on killing your civilians and spying on you from abroad. Regardless of what American citizens want or know, US officials have practically decided that this is going to happen, so it's just a matter of time. Caitsith.Sai said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Caitsith.Sai said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » not to mention if airport security was doing their jobs at the time it would have been prevented... This will never happen. TSA employs too many people for there not to be a portion who are lazy and or just dont care. Will always be holes. I'm talking about the people before the TSA, the TSA was never needed to be formed as far as I'm concerned. edit: that's why there's such a thing as supervision, the persons who allowed it to happen should have been on trial, and the airports been sued for damages since it was their lack of attention that allowed it to happen. yes I do realize the amount of damage done, Thats unrealistic IMO. Human nature says that no one is going to be 100% alert 100% of the time. Also, who do you think would be willing to be in a supervisors position at any airport if it were possible to file charges against them if they fail? It's called their job, and I was talking of the airport, not the individuals, however they should lose their jobs. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » If Iran wanted to hurt the US all they'd have to do is interrupt the flow of oil to the West which is what I fear would happen if Israel pre-emptively attacked the nuclear sites. Such an attack would be far more potent than any direct terrorist attack in the US and have global repercussions. Call me anti-Israel but this squabble over sacred ground has done nothing but feed the ground blood for the last half century. Had they simply created the Jewish state somewhere in Canada we'd all be better off... or would we? The Christian doomsayers must eat up all this turmoil in the Middle East as it fulfills prophecy. should just nuke Israel and fix the issue, ground burst and not air burst. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I doubt China will ever go to war with the U.S. unless there is just something out there so ridiculous that each side can't ignore it. Sure China backs Iran verbally but I really doubt they'd really be willing to risk all the money they make in trade with the U.S. Besides that, many of our gadgets are manufactured in China... What will happen to all the apple!!!! China and Russia supply military tech and hardware to Iran already. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » If Iran wanted to hurt the US all they'd have to do is interrupt the flow of oil to the West which is what I fear would happen if Israel pre-emptively attacked the nuclear sites. Such an attack would be far more potent than any direct terrorist attack in the US and have global repercussions. Call me anti-Israel but this squabble over sacred ground has done nothing but feed the ground blood for the last half century. Had they simply created the Jewish state somewhere in Canada we'd all be better off... or would we? The Christian doomsayers must eat up all this turmoil in the Middle East as it fulfills prophecy. Lakshmi.Rearden said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I doubt China will ever go to war with the U.S. unless there is just something out there so ridiculous that each side can't ignore it. Sure China backs Iran verbally but I really doubt they'd really be willing to risk all the money they make in trade with the U.S. Besides that, many of our gadgets are manufactured in China... What will happen to all the apple!!!! Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I think many of you fail to look at the big picture. I'm really surprised to see all the isolationists on the boards here. try as much as you'd like but you can't close your eyes hard enough so that when you open them world conflict will be gone. Our global presence is there for a reason. Also, it's not just us out there mucking about globally. Not meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations is not isolationism it's non-interventionism. If the US hadn't messed around in Iran, then Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Saudi Arabia, then Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Iraq, then it's a pretty easy conclusion to draw by saying we wouldn't be in the situation we are today. Our global presence is easily enforced by our navy and our special operations forces. There are at any given time a certain number of operators and 1500 Rangers ready to deploy and strike anywhere in the world in less than 18 hours and everyone who is anyone knows this. Until you've been at the tip of the spear, leave the foreign policy to the geniuses who are already in charge of ruining our relations with the world. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Iran isn't capable of interrupting the flow. If they did attempt it... not only would they be stopped but they would gain contempt from many other nations besides the U.S. They've already got contempt through sanctions. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » If Iran wanted to hurt the US all they'd have to do is interrupt the flow of oil to the West which is what I fear would happen if Israel pre-emptively attacked the nuclear sites. Such an attack would be far more potent than any direct terrorist attack in the US and have global repercussions. Iran is far more dangerous than the world gives them credit for, and the IRGC-QF is an extremely competent CIA/SOF type unit. Caitsith.Mahayaya said: » Lakshmi.Rearden said: » Cerberus.Sevvy said: » You know what I will give my thoughts a bit on this... My whole problems with this situation is the fact that Israel is so aggressive in their campaign against everyone. Granted, Iran cannot build nuclear weapons, it would result in catostrophic results that will effect every corner of the world BUT Israel has been the agreesor in this from the beginning. • Ahmadinejad is a complete psycho and should have never said he would "wipe Israel off the map." This caused heavy frantic amongst the Israelis, and caused them to get on the defensive, which is expected. • Israel has their own nuclear weapons pointed at Iran for quite some time, somehow instigating this entire process with Iran. • Israel, while only being a Jewish Nation since 1947, has prematurely jumped to the conculsion that everyone is out to get them. While this might be true to some nations, I have never heard of a country (besides the US) that will jump the gun and attack another country because they might be building weapons. I understand this post makes me sound very Anti-Israel and Pro-Iran, but this is far from the case. You are going into a scenario in which people's faith is getting pushed into the equation. Sadly people are going to die because of the simple rivalries going through the countries and it seems to me that Israel is going to be the one who pushes the envelope to war long before Iran does. Also, The U.S. is not intent on killing civilians... I just.. I don't even know why you say things like this.
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The US has killed more civilians worldwide since WWII than any nation, dictator, or terrorist.
Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I think many of you fail to look at the big picture. I'm really surprised to see all the isolationists on the boards here. try as much as you'd like but you can't close your eyes hard enough so that when you open them world conflict will be gone. Our global presence is there for a reason. Also, it's not just us out there mucking about globally. The US sees itself as the preeminent world power. Now, the first goal of any country who is on top is to stay on top. Right, wrong, morals, ethics are of no concern. Remaining in power is ALL that matters. All the crap the US does around the world is, foremost, to reinforce this fact. We can dress up different actions and call them different names, but the base reason for everything we do is to keep everyone else under us. By aligning with a heavily armed psychopathic country that has a severe case of little man syndrome (Israel) that is right smack in the middle of the Middle East, the US can keep the rest of the countries under extreme pressure to not rock the boat. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Also, The U.S. is not intent on killing civilians... I just.. I don't even know why you say things like this. It may not have been our people to do the physical job, but I'm 100% positive that the US cooperated with Israel to kill scientists. Facilitating murder through intelligence is intent on killing civilians. Lakshmi.Rearden said: » The US has killed more civilians worldwide since WWII than any nation, dictator, or terrorist. Caitsith.Mahayaya said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Also, The U.S. is not intent on killing civilians... I just.. I don't even know why you say things like this.
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Yes. We've also assassinated plenty of people, including US citizens.
what worries me is that I've been seeing our media (US) starting to build a case for a war in Iran.
none of this suprises me. I agree 100% with Mahayaya Caitsith.Mahayaya said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Also, The U.S. is not intent on killing civilians... I just.. I don't even know why you say things like this. It may not have been our people to do the physical job, but I'm 100% positive that the US cooperated with Israel to kill scientists. Facilitating murder through intelligence is intent on killing civilians. scientists that are working for the government to build weapons are no longer innocent civilians.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » Saying you could have stopped 9-11 is like saying you can stop them from blowing up things now, which we can't. 9-11 may have gone differently, but once they set their mind to causing pure devastation on our own soil, it's pretty much going to happen regardless, the only question is when, where and how. If that is seriously what you gathered from what I said, then you're taking what I said out of context. Lakshmi.Rearden said: » Yes. We've also assassinated plenty of people, including US citizens.
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said: » The world should have one leader and everyone else is a representative, would make world peace in an instant lol. Now, who would take this role on... Me /thread Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » Saying you could have stopped 9-11 is like saying you can stop them from blowing up things now, which we can't. 9-11 may have gone differently, but once they set their mind to causing pure devastation on our own soil, it's pretty much going to happen regardless, the only question is when, where and how. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Lakshmi.Rearden said: » Yes. We've also assassinated plenty of people, including US citizens. I don't think actual numbers are really needed in this instance. We all know the Gov has been involved in different forms of chicanery around the world over the years. No one thinks we are innocent of everything. |
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