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 Odin.Blazza
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-03-24 09:32:29
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Hmmm, hopefully that's all it is then, I'd hate to get the better of the two, and then find out somewhere down the line that it's actually kinda shitty... But yeh, I guess if there's a massive HNM involved in one compared to crap you can solo in the other, it kinda makes sense.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-03-24 09:34:29
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I know how odd it is to put "SE" and "makes sense" together.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 09:40:47
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I think it's a trap
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By Maeya 2010-03-24 09:51:52
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Of course it's a trap! Don't fall for it!

I think it's kinda awesome though. Alot of it you can kinda do in your own time, and you don't need an 'event ls' or some bs like that. And it's freeee!
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By Carbuncle.Macc 2010-03-24 23:29:04
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Does anyone know the Occ. Atk. Twice rate on the Magian weapons? Would it be worth my time to try and get the Magian Club or stick with Prudence Rod?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 23:31:44
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Don't think testing has been done on them yet and posted. Tbh I'd probably get a more dmging one mainhand with double attack one offhand depending on the difference in dmg between them
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By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-24 23:50:07
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Don't think testing has been done on them yet and posted. Tbh I'd probably get a more dmging one mainhand with double attack one offhand depending on the difference in dmg between them

DMG is 40 on the final Antea
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By Siren.Talonn 2010-03-24 23:52:18
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DMG: 40 Delay: 240~
Occ. Atk. Twice

Joytoy is better due to lower delay but the tree isn't finished.
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By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-24 23:55:00
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Odin.Blazza said:
There's one thing I don't get here, and I'll open the floor for interpretation.

Each type of weapon has two different double attack choices. Using sword as an example you have: (total stats)

DMG: 40 Delay: 266 - occasionally attacks twice
or
DMG: 23 Delay: 264 - occasionally attacks twice

No I dunno about you guys, but I'm pretty damn sure which one I'd take, and it's the same for every weapon type, so it makes me wonder, what if these aren't the final forms at all? Perhaps when the next Magian update is released these weapons will be able to be upgraded further. This means that whatever path follows off the lower DMG of the two weapons could turn out to be a much better option.

What do you all think? Why would you have the choice between the two when they're so far different in damage and have no other stats?

I agree with you that there's a chance for that. However, I also think that SE wanted to give options for those that prefer solo play or don't have huge groups for the new NMs.

It's not even an option, that DMG rating would slash output so much it wouldn't be worth it.
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-03-24 23:58:53
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Joytoy is probably better for rdm using enspell, but don't forget that higher delay means higher tp per swing, and 240 really isn't that high a delay.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-25 00:03:49
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Sylph.Sindri said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Don't think testing has been done on them yet and posted. Tbh I'd probably get a more dmging one mainhand with double attack one offhand depending on the difference in dmg between them
DMG is 40 on the final Antea
I was referrring to the club guy lol...
Siren.Talonn said:
DMG: 40 Delay: 240~ Occ. Atk. Twice Joytoy is better due to lower delay but the tree isn't finished.
Assuming the proc the same amount in the same way yes joy toy will usually (not always) win in terms of tp gain. This however will definitely outdot it. By alot
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-03-25 00:05:42
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I'm hoping for a good " Occ att X2" good blu weapon.

...Just hope I can get the one I would like..I need to read up more on it. ( I will once I'm done getting the stuff done first).
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-25 00:30:05
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Joyeuse has better DPS than Antea... lower weapon rank, yes, but fSTR cap aside the DoT is better assuming equal proc rate. The margin isn't huge though, ~3.2%.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-25 00:35:50
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Whoops forgot to check the delay and actually used the 240 someone said up htere lol.
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-03-25 01:15:32
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@ Nightfyre: more importantly though, blu can't use joyeuse.
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By Carbuncle.Macc 2010-03-25 02:37:21
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The obvious choice for a new main hand weapon would be the fully upgraded Culacula, but whether or not the Goedendag could give me better TP and dmg than Prudence Rod would decide my new sub. Will this Occ. Atk. Twice proc with Double Attack? If not, then the Prudence Rod may still hold its place as the best option for a sub for people who cannot afford Mjollnir and a K Club.

If all else fails I'll just have to get both myself and test this out!

Thanks regardless.
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By Fairy.Kyarutaru 2010-03-25 03:17:03
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@_@ wooooo! Just finished the first trial for my Mjollnir! Yay DMG: +2 n_n but fk it's time to sleep after grinding for half a day straight... x_x
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By daddyrabbit4444 2010-03-25 03:21:01
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i belive the mobs you kill must read con EP am i right?
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By Diabolos.Rydiya 2010-03-25 03:31:38
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Fairy.Kyarutaru said:
@_@ wooooo! Just finished the first trial for my Mjollnir! Yay DMG: 2 n_n but fk it's time to sleep after grinding for half a day straight... x_x
Aww.. I'm going for the Mjollnir-wannabe after I finish the attack+ one to go with it. Bleh.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-03-25 03:38:45
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Just thought it was worth sayin, for at least the Elemental branches for Trial of Magians, you CAN use Level Sync to accomplish the tasks, just completed Severance T1 as lvl 20 in Buburimu Peninsula.

Doesn't help with Relics or the Max Damage tiers, since those are NM hunts or related to the Relic Weapon skill, but still much less painless looking for "EP+" mobs with certain weather conditions up.
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By Fairy.Kyarutaru 2010-03-25 04:15:11
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Diabolos.Rydiya said:
Fairy.Kyarutaru said:
@_@ wooooo! Just finished the first trial for my Mjollnir! Yay DMG: 2 n_n but fk it's time to sleep after grinding for half a day straight... x_x
Aww.. I'm going for the Mjollnir-wannabe after I finish the attack one to go with it. Bleh.

^^ Well if ya have any WHM melee questions, feel free to ask!

@_@ onto the next trial for +8 damage :Q

and @daddyrabbit, yeah they gotta "Experience yieldign mobs" to EP+

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By Diabolos.Rydiya 2010-03-25 04:19:30
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Fairy.Kyarutaru said:
Diabolos.Rydiya said:
Fairy.Kyarutaru said:
@_@ wooooo! Just finished the first trial for my Mjollnir! Yay DMG: 2 n_n but fk it's time to sleep after grinding for half a day straight... x_x
Aww.. I'm going for the Mjollnir-wannabe after I finish the attack one to go with it. Bleh.

^^ Well if ya have any WHM melee questions, feel free to ask!

@_@ onto the next trial for 8 damage :Q
^^ Good luck! D: I wish I had half your gear, Kyaru.
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-03-25 07:28:24
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So typical SE to go with "the annoying" instead of "challanging" stuff. I'm on stage 2 katana atm, lumbering lambert x3 anyone? then deadly dodo times 3. /sigh
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2010-03-25 07:52:18
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12 DRGs in Inner Ruins for Slendix Spindlethumb atm
so many flying rats :o
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By Siren.Talonn 2010-03-25 08:33:22
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Fenrir.Krazyrs said:
12 DRGs in Inner Ruins for Slendix Spindlethumb atm
so many flying rats :o
hope you all teamed up!
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2010-03-25 08:51:42
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Does a kill count even if you don't physically hit it? Like I am in a group killing this NM and we just got it twice so far
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By Ifrit.Duanyu 2010-03-25 08:55:17
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yea as long as your in the pt that killed the nm
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2010-03-25 08:58:57
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yea were all teamed up 2/3
1 to go yay!
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2010-03-25 09:02:08
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Ifrit.Duanyu said:
yea as long as your in the pt that killed the nm


Cool~ People are seeming to be helpful with this at least ^^

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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-03-25 09:20:31
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I want the Warfangs for MNK and those upgraded Claws for PUP.
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