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By Nausi 2018-01-15 13:38:27
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This whole news cycle is stupid beyond the pale. Someone leaked that he said it, and the media thus reports that it was said. In every story the fact that it was uttered is taken at full face value.

Trump came out and denied it, other senators have backed him up, yet it is still reported as though Trump went out on live camera and spoke the words to a classroom full of children. Any one halfway through the first day of journalism school would have already learned that if the statement is not proven, than an honest narrative would be to put the word "allegedly" in from of the claim. But of course they don't because they only care about smearing Trump. Everyone who somehow views this a further evidence that Trump is a reprobate, literally has their head so far up their TDS *** as to not be capable of seeing reality.

And that's the state of the liberal bubble. You guys are just making this ***up as you go along. I'd say its like 2016 again, but it's far worse than that. You guys are in for a BIGGER letdown in November, because after another 10 months of Trump's MAGA there will be none left in the bubble but yourselves.
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By Nausi 2018-01-15 13:48:05
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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I have repeatedly asked over the past few days why it is America's obligation to take in immigrates from shitholes that will overwhelmingly and definitively saturate our welfare rolls?

The best response I have gotten is that we just need to take in the worlds poor because we need to import these people to drive cabs and pick strawberries.

We need to bring them in to produce future Democrat voter's.

Of course that's the goal, and I point that out every time. I am genuinely curious as to how fully the liberal posters here understand this.

I break them down into 1 axis with the following at each of the ends:

1) people who realize that the people in washington don't give a ***about the underclass and just need to find a way to get them here for the votes.

2) people who buy into the false virtue of importing an underclass (turning america into a shithole) by "helping out the world's poor" and think they're getting an additional benefit via an expanded voter base.

The key to this is of course logic and knowledge. It's tough to argue in favor of turning America into the third world, and it's pretty easy to argue that importing more welfare recipients turns america into the third world.
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By Viciouss 2018-01-15 16:22:27
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Yeah, the only thing that has changed is Trump and the two lying Republican senators that changed their story from "not remembering" to "oh he didn't use those words." Well which is it, do you not remember, or do you? How could you not remember less than 24 hours after the WH meeting?

Trump took 24 hours to deny it, well after the WH released statements that went to the effort of not denying it. Its been fun to watch the spin tho, and as for that lie posted earlier about Jeff Flake saying it didn't happen, two things. He wasn't in the meeting, and he has confirmed the story as accurate.
Jeff Flake confirms account. So much for that spin.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-01-15 16:24:17
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They don't give a rats *** about poor people, it doesn't effect the liberal elite either way, they keep on being rich and have even more power. They are aristocrats pure and simple, aristocrats don't care about commoners.

The whole DACA situation that's happening right now is a prime example. The sticking point is chain immigration being possible on non-means tested applications. Someone in the family gets a VISA, then within a year applies for the entire family, who then apply for their entire family and so forth. Since "***hole" countries tend to produce people who make lots of babies, to make up for the high mortality rates, one immigration from shitholeistan translates into 8~15 immigrants. The younger ones have children, who are now American citizens with voting power. As they are all poor from a ***hold country, they really like those government benefits and will vote for whomever offers them, aka the Democrats.

Just imagine each shitholeistan immigrant being ultimately representative of 10~15+ Democrat votes and the Democrat position makes perfect sense. The hitch is those being immigrated must be from third world countries and have low skill, professionals from ***countries tend to be conservative and ultimately represent conservative votes though not nearly as many as the low skilled due to lower birthrates. Indian doctor vs Mexican migrant worker for example.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-01-15 18:36:02
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Viciouss said: »
Yeah, the only thing that has changed is Trump and the two lying Republican senators that changed their story from "not remembering" to "oh he didn't use those words." Well which is it, do you not remember, or do you? How could you not remember less than 24 hours after the WH meeting?

Like, with a cloth?

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Trump took 24 hours to deny it, well after the WH released statements that went to the effort of not denying it. Its been fun to watch the spin tho, and as for that lie posted earlier about Jeff Flake saying it didn't happen, two things. He wasn't in the meeting, and he has confirmed the story as accurate.
Jeff Flake confirms account. So much for that spin.

I'm glad that you cleared up the fact that someone not in the meeting is confirming what someone else claimed was said in the meeting. That's super helpful.

On an unrelated note, someone told me in a PM that you once said in here that you have a goat fetish. I want to confirm that I truly heard what someone else said that you said. It's practically fact now, so don't deny it or you'll be no better than Trump.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2018-01-15 23:13:55
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fonewear said: »
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africas not a country slore

His point is still true though.

Not really. When someone says something like "You ever been to Africa? I have and its a shithole."

It's a continent. There's 54 countries in Africa.

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The closest I've been to a shithole is Detroit. And trust me it looked like a 3rd world country.

There's some countries in Africa I'd rather visit than Detroit!
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2018-01-15 23:21:06
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By Nausi 2018-01-16 05:42:03
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Trump took 24 hours to deny it
This is nothing but wishful spin. Your mind pretzeling powers are literally on display for us to ridicule.
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By Nausi 2018-01-16 07:17:27
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Also it wasn't 24 hours, that is outright false.
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By Nausi 2018-01-16 07:18:40
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PM that you once said in here that you have a goat fetish.
Welp, it's been "24 hours", I guess Vic too busy fapping off to goats.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-01-16 07:56:22
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »


Different immigrants from different places that are getting confused.

First is the South American / Shitholeistan migrant worker refugee / illegal alien. Low skilled means they can only do work which doesn't provide sufficient income for a family and thus must resort to either welfare or eventually crime, usually of the illegal substance import-export business. We don't need more of these, they take more from the system then they provide and any surplus income they do come up is sent back to their home country as support for their family.


Second is the professional worker and this opens an entirely new can of worms. See an IT person from India comes at a fraction of the cost of an IT person from anywhere in the USA. Several companies, like TCS, abuse the system by applying for tens of thousands of lottery VISA's every year in the hopes of using raw numbers to import their workers. They then selling their "consulting services" to companies were they replace their American workforce with cheap Indian immigrants. The rules of the system are such that these immigrants are virtual slaves to the importing company as if they lose their job they immediately lose their VISA and become illegal if they don't leave. They work for this significantly lower pay because it's still much better then that they'd get back in India and they have the opportunity to permanently immigrate into the USA.


So two classes of immigrants, both who could be classified as economic migrants. The first provides zero benefit to the new nation and should be avoided like the plague. Nothing good comes important hundreds of thousands of people without the skills necessary to excel in the new society. The second could be beneficial, provided abuses are prevented. President Trump has already made some changes to curb this abuse, biggest of all was removing the IT jobs from the list of shortage workers. This means companies like TCS need to actually justify why they can't hire someone locally instead of just important cheap labor from India.
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 10:28:01
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Yeah, the only thing that has changed is Trump and the two lying Republican senators that changed their story from "not remembering" to "oh he didn't use those words." Well which is it, do you not remember, or do you? How could you not remember less than 24 hours after the WH meeting?

Trump took 24 hours to deny it, well after the WH released statements that went to the effort of not denying it. Its been fun to watch the spin tho, and as for that lie posted earlier about Jeff Flake saying it didn't happen, two things. He wasn't in the meeting, and he has confirmed the story as accurate.
Jeff Flake confirms account. So much for that spin.
Exactly. Someone tells me to "do something tomorrow", I remember to do it that day even if I haven't written it down or used a voice recorder to make a note to do it. Span of 24 hours, I remember something said to me.

I could tell you to "go away" but you won't do it. So what is the point ?
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 10:33:42
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Whether he said shithole or not isn't the point. The point is the media will talk about it for an entire week.
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 10:39:08
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »

Too lazy to respond to a picture with something insightful !
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 10:45:42
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
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africas not a country slore

His point is still true though.

Not really. When someone says something like "You ever been to Africa? I have and its a shithole."

It's a continent. There's 54 countries in Africa.

fonewear said: »
The closest I've been to a shithole is Detroit. And trust me it looked like a 3rd world country.

There's some countries in Africa I'd rather visit than Detroit!

I'm sure you are an expert on Africa. But the majority of Africa is a ***hole. Therefore lions !
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-16 10:47:28
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I'm sure you are an expert on Africa. But the majority of Africa is a ***hole. Therefore lions !

Would rather see African lions than the Detroit Lions.
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 10:48:25
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The fact that people are talking about a single word Trump said. To me means he wins. No matter what he says good or bad. He wins.
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 10:48:37
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He controls the media not the media controlling him.
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By Ramyrez 2018-01-16 11:22:43
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He controls the media not the media controlling him.

I think it's more of a symbiosis, honestly. He clearly feels the need to be in the spotlight.

I will say that I fail to see the racism in this one thing. He's got a history of racist actions but tying this comment to them is pretty *** weak.

Honestly his comment wasn't even wrong. Other countries are shitty places and people want to escape those shitty places and come someplace not shitty.

The difference of opinion here lay in exactly what to do about that. Some people want us to be totally open to all refugees (probably a bad idea), some people want to just keep them all out and tell them to *** off (also probably a bad idea). We'll meet somewhere in the middle (eventually) in a deal that is beneficial to those in power and at least some degree of shitty for at least some of the people in question.

Personally my question is "why are the places they're fleeing shitty, and do we have a part in that/can we reasonably help change that?" If the answer is "no," well then, we just figure out what to do with the flow of people trying to come in. If the answer is "yes," well then...let's do that.
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fonewear said: »
The fact that people are talking about a single word Trump said. To me means he wins. No matter what he says good or bad. He wins.
But is he bi-winning?
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By Siren.Mosin 2018-01-16 11:28:19
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If we intend to stay a great country, immigration paired with total assimilation is a necessary component.

Personally I don't give a *** either way.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-01-16 11:34:22
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some people want to just keep them all out and tell them to *** off (also probably a bad idea)

Looks over are Europe,

Nope it's a good idea, a very good one. Genuine refuges from places where mass genocide is taking place I can understand, or those forcibly relocated. And by forcibly relocated, I mean someone came and actually took their land from them by force, not a new party got in power and is making rules they don't like.

Right now the situation around Syria and the middle east is causing everyone who wants to find a "better life" in a country that provides social welfare is using whatever mode of transportation they can and claiming they are a "refugee". The majority of those "refugee's" are working age young men seeking economic benefits in order to send money back home, aka economic migrants not refugees. Economic migration needs to be carefully controlled or it *** up the host nations economy.

Did you know those great socialist paradises in European have greater immigration control and far more restrictive policies then the USA?
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 11:34:47
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I think Nik must have got to a shithole...explains why he hasn't been here lately.
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 11:35:32
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I'm currently in a shithole right now Asura filled with the worst people you would ever come in contact with.
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 11:37:12
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Last I check America has about 300 M people. We don't need any more refugees or illegal immigrants shitting up our country. Maybe the shitty countries should put in place a good government.
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 11:38:09
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Just like Asura doesn't need anymore people selling job points and ambuscade cause people are too lazy to play the *** game.
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 11:39:18
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This isn't 1700's America where a bunch of drunk Irish people are setting up shop to make America Great Again. We are an established country.
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By Viciouss 2018-01-16 11:41:24
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So apparently the story from the WH has changed to Trump did not say "shithole" but rather "shithouse" thus giving cover to their previous lies and faulty memory. Which of course is totally ok! Two completely different words when used in the same insult would of course mean different things...um..right?
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By fonewear 2018-01-16 11:42:47
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Vic I hate to do it but you have become Donny. You are out of your element please go bother someone else !
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