Is anyone in hete a crafter? Lol. Whats stopping me is no profits...
And yeah I can make gil other ways, but that's why I said I enjoy crafting. Been at it for years and I like it, but now thats gone because I'm not spending every waking moment finishing a shield. And "taking it slow" would take years. Not fun imo.
Escutcheons Final Stage
Escutcheons final stage
I'm on the last stage x2. Was the first 110 CC on Leviathan back when it was hundreds of million of gil to go from 100-110, and was 100 back when everyone stopped at 99 CC. So yeah.
Are your profits hurt now? Has anyone finished the shield in your craft? On your server? Milk the gil now if you don't want to finish the shield.
Really just don't understand that mentality at all, when Kupo Shields are more common at the moment and have been out a long while.
Are your profits hurt now? Has anyone finished the shield in your craft? On your server? Milk the gil now if you don't want to finish the shield.
Really just don't understand that mentality at all, when Kupo Shields are more common at the moment and have been out a long while.
Agree with Stamos but I feel your frustration.
We’ve all at some point or another been kicked in the teeth by an upgrade and we’ve all complained about something. (RME disaster!)
“Is anyone here a crafter?” I’ve made hundreds of millions on crafting. But I’ve made more elsewhere. I no longer feel like rolling the dice on crafting for profit. Don’t get the shield to make profits on old gear. Get the shield for the next craftable items that will be shield only. Or don’t and move on. Lots to do in the game.
We’ve all at some point or another been kicked in the teeth by an upgrade and we’ve all complained about something. (RME disaster!)
“Is anyone here a crafter?” I’ve made hundreds of millions on crafting. But I’ve made more elsewhere. I no longer feel like rolling the dice on crafting for profit. Don’t get the shield to make profits on old gear. Get the shield for the next craftable items that will be shield only. Or don’t and move on. Lots to do in the game.
I don't understand that you don't understand!
Does gil come from milk or does milk come from gil?
Leviathan.Stamos said: »
Milk the gil
Does gil come from milk or does milk come from gil?
Leviathan.Stamos said: »
I'm on the last stage x2. Was the first 110 CC on Leviathan back when it was hundreds of million of gil to go from 100-110, and was 100 back when everyone stopped at 99 CC. So yeah.
Are your profits hurt now? Has anyone finished the shield in your craft? On your server? Milk the gil now if you don't want to finish the shield.
Really just don't understand that mentality at all, when Kupo Shields are more common at the moment and have been out a long while.
Are your profits hurt now? Has anyone finished the shield in your craft? On your server? Milk the gil now if you don't want to finish the shield.
Really just don't understand that mentality at all, when Kupo Shields are more common at the moment and have been out a long while.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Because two wrongs make a right
I have the unpopular opinion, but *** let them make the shield by any means necessary. Square designs this ***to be purposely regoddamndiculous. Screw em.
Cheap HQs for everyone. it -never- should've gotten to the point it's at.
Akaitorepan has already made over a billion gil in like 5 days selling ***dirt cheap. Thats a win for everyone. Not him. (unless you're trying to sell your overpriced ***, in which case you deserve it)
I have the unpopular opinion, but *** let them make the shield by any means necessary. Square designs this ***to be purposely regoddamndiculous. Screw em.
Cheap HQs for everyone. it -never- should've gotten to the point it's at.
Akaitorepan has already made over a billion gil in like 5 days selling ***dirt cheap. Thats a win for everyone. Not him. (unless you're trying to sell your overpriced ***, in which case you deserve it)
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I can see both points of view although I am on the side of the botters for this one. 300M for 1 piece of HQ gear was too difficult. Cheaper HQs is better for the majority of players. Some players who were a fan of the crafting system won't like this because now there is another requirement to participate although there is nothing stopping them from making the shield themselves. The first person who made the shield did so without botting as far as I know. The requirements are absurd so I can see why you would be upset. I personally wouldn't ever attempt it without some kind of bot.
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
I can see both points of view although I am on the side of the botters for this one. 300M for 1 piece of HQ gear was too difficult. Cheaper HQs is better for the majority of players. Some players who were a fan of the crafting system won't like this because now there is another requirement to participate although there is nothing stopping them from making the shield themselves. The first person who made the shield did so without botting as far as I know. The requirements are absurd so I can see why you would be upset. I personally wouldn't ever attempt it without some kind of bot.
Odin.Drakenv said: »
You have no idea how the shield works. The stuff wasn't overpriced it was rare hence hard to HQ hence mats are expensive and rare for HQ. All this shield did was make HQing insane. They aren't selling cheap to be nice they are selling cheap because NOW with those shields HQing is simple for them. If you think it's about being "nice" you are beyond delusional. And since only few have finished some are controlling markets and other server markets as we speak. Which is hilarious because SE 10 years ago plus knew that was a huge complaint about only selective few could control the economy. So we are back to 10 yeas ago.
I know exactly how it works, and yes it WAS overpriced. idgaf about the math to make a +1 over how many breaks and nqs, it's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to think anything is worth 300m, 400m, 600m.
Luckily for you, people are stupid and paid that while you were making them, now you're sol.
The first rule of MMO is, it's never worth what you think it is. and the second rule is always sell it to someone dumber than you. (well the first rule is actually everyone on the internet is male, but i digress).
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Odin.Drakenv said: »
You have no idea how the shield works. The stuff wasn't overpriced it was rare hence hard to HQ hence mats are expensive and rare for HQ. All this shield did was make HQing insane. They aren't selling cheap to be nice they are selling cheap because NOW with those shields HQing is simple for them. If you think it's about being "nice" you are beyond delusional. And since only few have finished some are controlling markets and other server markets as we speak. Which is hilarious because SE 10 years ago plus knew that was a huge complaint about only selective few could control the economy. So we are back to 10 yeas ago.
I know exactly how it works, and yes it WAS overpriced. idgaf about the math to make a +1 over how many breaks and nqs, it's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to think anything is worth 300m, 400m, 600m.
Luckily for you, people are stupid and paid that while you were making them, now you're sol.
The first rule of MMO is, it's never worth what you think it is. and the second rule is always sell it to someone dumber than you. (well the first rule is actually everyone on the internet is male, but i digress).
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Odin.Drakenv said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
I can see both points of view although I am on the side of the botters for this one. 300M for 1 piece of HQ gear was too difficult. Cheaper HQs is better for the majority of players. Some players who were a fan of the crafting system won't like this because now there is another requirement to participate although there is nothing stopping them from making the shield themselves. The first person who made the shield did so without botting as far as I know. The requirements are absurd so I can see why you would be upset. I personally wouldn't ever attempt it without some kind of bot.
This pattern is the same as before the shields, even with modern 'easy mode' crafting skill up. There was an initial period where NQs for new recipes sold for a reasonable amount, thus a crafter could do about break even while trying for HQs. After a while the market would get saturated and NQ prices would plummet. Then it's just an awful experience all around trying to get HQ unless you bot farm ingredients.
I remember just around NA release, you could actually get Goldsmithing pretty high while profiting along the way. Eventually it just became a gil sink though because things like Morion Earring or whatever were no longer break even/profitable. It's always been the early bird gets the worm with crafting.
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Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Odin.Drakenv said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
I can see both points of view although I am on the side of the botters for this one. 300M for 1 piece of HQ gear was too difficult. Cheaper HQs is better for the majority of players. Some players who were a fan of the crafting system won't like this because now there is another requirement to participate although there is nothing stopping them from making the shield themselves. The first person who made the shield did so without botting as far as I know. The requirements are absurd so I can see why you would be upset. I personally wouldn't ever attempt it without some kind of bot.
This pattern is the same as before the shields, even with modern 'easy mode' crafting skill up. There was an initial period where NQs for new recipes sold for a reasonable amount, thus a crafter could do about break even while trying for HQs. After a while the market would get saturated and NQ prices would plummet. Then it's just an awful experience all around trying to get HQ unless you bot farm ingredients.
I remember just around NA release, you could actually get Goldsmithing pretty high while profiting along the way. Eventually it just became a gil sink though because things like Morion Earring or whatever were no longer break even/profitable. It's always been the early bird gets the worm with crafting.
RMT already bot farm crafting ingredients to use and sell HQ items. I'm sure they will probably just upgrade the shields themselves and resume business as usual.
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
RMT already bot farm crafting ingredients to use and sell HQ items. I'm sure they will probably just upgrade the shields themselves and resume business as usual.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Odin.Drakenv said: »
You have no idea how the shield works. The stuff wasn't overpriced it was rare hence hard to HQ hence mats are expensive and rare for HQ. All this shield did was make HQing insane. They aren't selling cheap to be nice they are selling cheap because NOW with those shields HQing is simple for them. If you think it's about being "nice" you are beyond delusional. And since only few have finished some are controlling markets and other server markets as we speak. Which is hilarious because SE 10 years ago plus knew that was a huge complaint about only selective few could control the economy. So we are back to 10 yeas ago.
I know exactly how it works, and yes it WAS overpriced. idgaf about the math to make a +1 over how many breaks and nqs, it's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to think anything is worth 300m, 400m, 600m.
Luckily for you, people are stupid and paid that while you were making them, now you're sol.
The first rule of MMO is, it's never worth what you think it is. and the second rule is always sell it to someone dumber than you. (well the first rule is actually everyone on the internet is male, but i digress).
I've made tons of HQ's. I've bought tons of HQ's. You can say it's not worth it all you want but the people buying/selling will disagree.
And if you don't like the prices, what's stopping you from making them yourself? Or ask a friend? Lets see you go 0/50 on a tier 0, lose 200m, then say the prices are too high.
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Quetzalcoatl.Zorik said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Odin.Drakenv said: »
You have no idea how the shield works. The stuff wasn't overpriced it was rare hence hard to HQ hence mats are expensive and rare for HQ. All this shield did was make HQing insane. They aren't selling cheap to be nice they are selling cheap because NOW with those shields HQing is simple for them. If you think it's about being "nice" you are beyond delusional. And since only few have finished some are controlling markets and other server markets as we speak. Which is hilarious because SE 10 years ago plus knew that was a huge complaint about only selective few could control the economy. So we are back to 10 yeas ago.
I know exactly how it works, and yes it WAS overpriced. idgaf about the math to make a +1 over how many breaks and nqs, it's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to think anything is worth 300m, 400m, 600m.
Luckily for you, people are stupid and paid that while you were making them, now you're sol.
The first rule of MMO is, it's never worth what you think it is. and the second rule is always sell it to someone dumber than you. (well the first rule is actually everyone on the internet is male, but i digress).
I've made tons of HQ's. I've bought tons of HQ's. You can say it's not worth it all you want but the people buying/selling will disagree.
And if you don't like the prices, what's stopping you from making them yourself? Or ask a friend? Lets see you go 0/50 on a tier 0, lose 200m, then say the prices are too high.
clearlyamule said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Zorik said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Odin.Drakenv said: »
You have no idea how the shield works. The stuff wasn't overpriced it was rare hence hard to HQ hence mats are expensive and rare for HQ. All this shield did was make HQing insane. They aren't selling cheap to be nice they are selling cheap because NOW with those shields HQing is simple for them. If you think it's about being "nice" you are beyond delusional. And since only few have finished some are controlling markets and other server markets as we speak. Which is hilarious because SE 10 years ago plus knew that was a huge complaint about only selective few could control the economy. So we are back to 10 yeas ago.
I know exactly how it works, and yes it WAS overpriced. idgaf about the math to make a +1 over how many breaks and nqs, it's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to think anything is worth 300m, 400m, 600m.
Luckily for you, people are stupid and paid that while you were making them, now you're sol.
The first rule of MMO is, it's never worth what you think it is. and the second rule is always sell it to someone dumber than you. (well the first rule is actually everyone on the internet is male, but i digress).
I've made tons of HQ's. I've bought tons of HQ's. You can say it's not worth it all you want but the people buying/selling will disagree.
And if you don't like the prices, what's stopping you from making them yourself? Or ask a friend? Lets see you go 0/50 on a tier 0, lose 200m, then say the prices are too high.
If you don't think the risk is fair, then don't craft.
They've been exceedingly overvalued for far too long.
The crafting system is ***. And it punishes buyers.
Under no circumstance is anything worth what it's been valued at since sparks (and crour) became a thing.
None of it matters now, shields will reign this *** it, whether you like it or not. At least we won't be seeing "wts overpriced ***" anymore in the near future.
They've been exceedingly overvalued for far too long.
The crafting system is ***. And it punishes buyers.
Under no circumstance is anything worth what it's been valued at since sparks (and crour) became a thing.
None of it matters now, shields will reign this *** it, whether you like it or not. At least we won't be seeing "wts overpriced ***" anymore in the near future.
Actually I think the crafting system punishes crafters just as much, lol.
I don't get how they're overvalued considering the price of materials on a lot of stuff. Do you expect crafters to just make stuff for 0 profit or loss? I could see them being called overly rare because of the crafting system but the valuation is generally in line with risks/costs + some profit margin.
I don't get how they're overvalued considering the price of materials on a lot of stuff. Do you expect crafters to just make stuff for 0 profit or loss? I could see them being called overly rare because of the crafting system but the valuation is generally in line with risks/costs + some profit margin.
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Fenrir.Tarowyn said: »
I don't get how they're overvalued
Fenrir.Tarowyn said: »
I could see them being called overly rare because of the crafting system
You answered your own question. The system is terribad.
In any system where the end product is worth less than the materials unless it comes out "shiney" you've failed in your implementation. Pennies; worth less than the copper they're made of. So they changed it. Crafting system is outdated.
That still doesn't make them overvalued, it just makes the NQ undervalued.
I don't think there's really anything inherently wrong with the system since people don't actually NEED HQ's. It's just that since the game's been going on so long now, the only people still playing the game tend to be the more obsessive ones so a greater percentage of people want only the best stuff.
I don't think there's really anything inherently wrong with the system since people don't actually NEED HQ's. It's just that since the game's been going on so long now, the only people still playing the game tend to be the more obsessive ones so a greater percentage of people want only the best stuff.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
If you don't think the risk is fair, then don't craft.
They've been exceedingly overvalued for far too long.
The crafting system is ***. And it punishes buyers.
Under no circumstance is anything worth what it's been valued at since sparks (and crour) became a thing.
None of it matters now, shields will reign this *** it, whether you like it or not. At least we won't be seeing "wts overpriced ***" anymore in the near future.
They've been exceedingly overvalued for far too long.
The crafting system is ***. And it punishes buyers.
Under no circumstance is anything worth what it's been valued at since sparks (and crour) became a thing.
None of it matters now, shields will reign this *** it, whether you like it or not. At least we won't be seeing "wts overpriced ***" anymore in the near future.
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Years? I've had the account for months, so, yeah.
The ability to make a thousand nq items works fine when a million people play.
The ability to make a thousand nq items does not work at all when a thousand people play.
Pretty simple to see why the crafting system currently fails. Synergy has a significantly higher HQ rate, square knows the crafting system sucks.
The ability to make a thousand nq items works fine when a million people play.
The ability to make a thousand nq items does not work at all when a thousand people play.
Pretty simple to see why the crafting system currently fails. Synergy has a significantly higher HQ rate, square knows the crafting system sucks.
Complete the shield this morning. Confirmed it is broken from a HQ perspective.
When doing spirit it will trigger a message from Mewk, you get apex cystal: <craft>
then you trade:
crystal(nq)
shield
apex
2x screw
dur frame
to Mewk
He tells you to goto Guildemaster, you talk to guildemaster, then come back talk to mewk, he gives you the last piece, and you craft them togther for the final form of the shield
The enchantment effect is called Artisnal Knowledge
When doing spirit it will trigger a message from Mewk, you get apex cystal: <craft>
then you trade:
crystal(nq)
shield
apex
2x screw
dur frame
to Mewk
He tells you to goto Guildemaster, you talk to guildemaster, then come back talk to mewk, he gives you the last piece, and you craft them togther for the final form of the shield
The enchantment effect is called Artisnal Knowledge
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How long does the enchantment last? Can you have both that and the advanced synth thing at the same time?
Asura.Sechs said: »
How long does the enchantment last? Can you have both that and the advanced synth thing at the same time?
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30 min, 60 minute recharge. so 30 min, 30 min off. I did my first batch in Adoulin with ionis, didnt try advanced support, didnt get me any tiers i was going for.. will try more
edit: if your not under the effect of the enhchantment you can synth NQ with the shield on
edit: zoning the enchantment goes away
edit: if your not under the effect of the enhchantment you can synth NQ with the shield on
edit: zoning the enchantment goes away
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Years? I've had the account for months, so, yeah.
The ability to make a thousand nq items works fine when a million people play.
The ability to make a thousand nq items does not work at all when a thousand people play.
Pretty simple to see why the crafting system currently fails. Synergy has a significantly higher HQ rate, square knows the crafting system sucks.
The ability to make a thousand nq items works fine when a million people play.
The ability to make a thousand nq items does not work at all when a thousand people play.
Pretty simple to see why the crafting system currently fails. Synergy has a significantly higher HQ rate, square knows the crafting system sucks.
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Asura.Toralin said: »
Complete the shield this morning. Confirmed it is broken from a HQ perspective.
Congrats, how does T0/1 rates look so far? I noticed bone on Asura is also now a one person market. 11 Jinxed jackets up for sale overnight, damn...Glad I didn't attempt anymore! Whoever wanted cheap moonbow whistle+1 will get their wish. And the ones who already owned them just lost 75+mil in value.
How much spirit did you need?
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